Originally posted by King Kandy
I could have guessed that since you seem to support anything homophobic.
Im not homophobic but i still have the right to voice my opinion on this subject.
Gays are better off keeping their sexuality to themselves, it will save them a hell of alot discrimination.
But what their do in their personal lives is none of my business, they are still human beings.
When i was in hospital last year suffering from a severe bloodclot, it was an openly gay doctor that helped save my life & and thank him from the bottom of my heart.
Originally posted by King Castle
how is supporting DADT homophobic?it allows for equal treatment and a person's sexual orientation shouldnt be discussed while in uniform to begin with.
It doesn't allow of equal treatment at all. If a straight man's sexuality is revealed he gets to stay, if a gay man's sexuality is revealed he gets thrown out.
Originally posted by majid86
Gays are better off keeping their sexuality to themselves, it will save them a hell of alot discrimination.
Yeah! And women should stay in the kitchen, it will save them from a lot of black eyes.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Gradualism just doesn't work. All the top people in the civil rights movement recognized this and understood that changes had to happen NOW, or they never would.
this.
social change by definition is always unpopular (if it waren't than it wouldn't be a change because it would be there already). social progress is not an organic process that happens on its own, it is as King said, a constant struggle not something that "roles in on the wheels of inevitability" the status quo of a society natural perpetuates itself.
Therefore we can't just sit around waiting for people to become more tolerant before we can repeal DADT, we need to actively pursue social equality. Just as the government had to push forward on integrated schools even though it was unpopular, so too must they push forward to accept openly gay people into the military. we have to go against the popular opinion in order to protect and ensure the rights of the minority.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It doesn't allow of equal treatment at all. If a straight man's sexuality is revealed he gets to stay, if a gay man's sexuality is revealed he gets thrown out.Yeah! And women should stay in the kitchen, it will save them from a lot of black eyes.
No i support women in the military 100% and eventually gays as well.
These things take time to be accomplished and at the moment i support DADT but hopefully in the future openly gay people will be fully allowed to join the military with no discrimination at all.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosyes, it does. it allows one to join without disclosing sexuality although some recruiters will knowingly ask anyways.
It doesn't allow of equal treatment at all. If a straight man's sexuality is revealed he gets to stay, if a gay man's sexuality is revealed he gets thrown out.Yeah! And women should stay in the kitchen, it will save them from a lot of black eyes.
but, once in you are treated the same, same rules apply to you as others. if you are caught with a man it is a different matter as it is a violation of marine corps reqs which states how sexual intercourse should be conducted..
ask yourself how would ones sexual orientation be revealed in the 1st place in the military with strict rules? some one would have to already be in violation of regulations at some point.
either way.. i meant that gay or straight if u dont ask then ppl dont know and preference is not made for one or the other nor would it allow for discrimination
Originally posted by majid86
No i support women in the military 100% and eventually gays as well.
These things take time to be accomplished and at the moment i support DADT but hopefully in the future openly gay people will be fully allowed to join the military with no discrimination at all.
"We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied.""
-Martin Luthor King Jr.
Originally posted by King Kandyit is when ppl are using other ppl's speeches to promote their cause. its the same as creationist using albert eistein out of context quotes to promote their views.
That isn't the point, the point is that change happens when demanded, not when left to gradualism.
this has got me wondering and even taking points away from the homosexual movement for using a great man's quote for their movement.
Originally posted by King Castle
it is when ppl are using other ppl's speeches to promote their cause. its the same as creationist using albert eistein out of context quotes to promote their views.this has got me wondering and even taking points away from the homosexual movement for using a great man's quote for their movement.
Originally posted by King CastleCreationists and einstein have nothing whatsoever to do with this. King's point about social change is being correctly used by the gay movement.
it is when ppl are using other ppl's speeches to promote their cause. its the same as creationist using albert eistein out of context quotes to promote their views.this has got me wondering and even taking points away from the homosexual movement for using a great man's quote for their movement.
Originally posted by majid86
No i support women in the military 100% and eventually gays as well.
These things take time to be accomplished and at the moment i support DADT but hopefully in the future openly gay people will be fully allowed to join the military with no discrimination at all.
My point is that your attitude perpetuates exactly the problem you claim you want to see eventually fade away.
"Women's rights would be great, but they should shut up about it because guys will beat them up."
"Gay rights would be great, but they should shut up about it because guys will beat them up."
Originally posted by King Castle
it is when ppl are using other ppl's speeches to promote their cause. its the same as creationist using albert eistein out of context quotes to promote their views.
No, it really isn't the same at all. Those MLK quotes aren't out of context. Even if MLK was viciously homophobic the arguments presented still apply to the gay rights movement.
Originally posted by King Castle
this has got me wondering and even taking points away from the homosexual movement for using a great man's quote for their movement.
You're penalizing the gay rights movement because Kandy used a quote in order to explain his position? That's utterly pathetic.