Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's not easy. But it's far from impossible. If War Hulk can overcome his "unstoppability" enchantment, I see WBH overcoming his "invincibility" enchantment. Because clearly his "invincibility" enchantment has several holes in it already, e.g., electricity and ultra sonics. He literally matched him IMHO. And WWH wasn't even near the levels of rage he felt against Ironman or as WBH.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Physical force has stopped him, e.g., electricity/ultra sonics. Narrowing it down to physical strength applied by a person is a bit too convenient for me.Because he's certainly not immune to physical force. He's been sent reeling and toppled by punches, he's had his armor crushed, he's had his eyes cut out, etc.
And as far as I've read, the Celestial enhancements just amped his strength to the point where it overpowered Juggernaut's "unstoppability" enhancement. I don't think Apocalypse was using the Celestial amp to negate or dispel it. But it's arguable.
It's called PIS. Anything lower than a Godblast that hurts Juggs is PIS.
His unstoppable enchantment has nothing to do with his invincibility enchantment. Even Marvel has stated that Juggs can be slowed with great force.
Mentioning of PIS is not allowed.
^ Ironically, Godblast didn't even hurt Juggernaut. It just overpowered his "unstoppability" enchantment.
They're both sourced in the same power of Cytorrak. And one of them was overpowered by sufficient strength. This leads me to deduce that the other can also be overpowered by sufficient strength, especially considering Onslaught, Bishop and Nimrod.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the godblast incident is the pis if you look at his careerthor already took care of the juggernaut
Thor bfr him. So how did Thor take care of him other than that?
The godblast incident fits perfectly with Juggs. Juggs have only been damaged by physical force a few times in his entire career. Those times were PIS events. Onslaught can get away with it since he has reality warping powers.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I would say anything over Universal power can physically overpower the durability enchantment (nothing less). Plus people are forgetting that if the impossible does happen (Juggs gets damaged) then he still regenerates at an insane rate.
^ Ironically, Godblast didn't even hurt Juggernaut. It just overpowered his "unstoppability" enchantment.They're both sourced in the same power of Cytorrak. And one of them was overpowered by sufficient strength. This leads me to deduce that the other can also be overpowered by sufficient strength, especially considering Onslaught, Bishop and Nimrod.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Juggs is overrated in this board.I hate Hulk, but WBH is simply stronger than Classic Juggs.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scarsimo pak took a page put of manga by showing his power like that, kenshiro to dbz, a lot of manga writers show that the more powerful the character is, the more their merest actions result in damage.
Speaking of PIS..WBH doesn't weigh enough to cause massive earthquakes along the East Coast by just taking "foot steps". I still haven't read that comic, so I don't know all the details surrounding that feat..to be honest. It seems like crap writing.
kenshiro stepped forward once and the ground shook, he had steam coming off of him and the whole nine. dbz has hundreds of similar displays of power
it could also be that hulk's muscles are so powerful that planet is brittle around him, his footfalls are enough to crack the earth to the mantle
Originally posted by OneDumbG0What did Bishop do?
^ Ironically, Godblast didn't even hurt Juggernaut. It just overpowered his "unstoppability" enchantment.They're both sourced in the same power of Cytorrak. And one of them was overpowered by sufficient strength. This leads me to deduce that the other can also be overpowered by sufficient strength, especially considering Onslaught, Bishop and Nimrod.
Nimrod used sonics, I guess Hulk could scream really loud.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Don't necessarily hate hulk but I agree with you. Also as I said Juggs strength stays the same... The Hulk just keeps bumping his strength in a straight fist fight until he overcomes Juggs barriers.
Personally I think the juggernaut is full of PIS because I the barrier and strength should only be as much as Cytorrak can generate and Juggernaut has faced plenty of characters that could rock a high demon level character. I mean Cyttorak is high end but not end all high end. Anyways because Juggernaut can't be stronger than Cytorrak and has faced enemies that would give even his boss pause I say that his barrier realistically should be nowhere near enough to tank a godblast. That said Hulk would eventually bust in the juggernauts head.
No one Hulk has beaten is above Cytorrak.
Cytorrak > Galactus.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Don't necessarily hate hulk but I agree with you. Also as I said Juggs strength stays the same... The Hulk just keeps bumping his strength in a straight fist fight until he overcomes Juggs barriers.
Personally I think the juggernaut is full of PIS because I the barrier and strength should only be as much as Cytorrak can generate and Juggernaut has faced plenty of characters that could rock a high demon level character. I mean Cytorak is high end but not end all high end. Anyways because Juggernaut can't be stronger than Cytorrak and has faced enemies that would give even his boss pause I say that his barrier realistically should be nowhere near enough to tank a godblast. That said Hulk would eventually bust in the juggernauts head.
Actually the writers have written Cytorrak the wrong way time and time again. In his original bio story it was said that Cytorrak was banished to the Crimson cosmos, and that if he hadn't been that he had the power to destroy universes. If written correctly, he would be a monstrous being of near omnipotent power. Did no one think that it was incredibly odd that Cain was able to defeat a true "Avatar" of Cytorrak, yet was still able to become Trion? Cytorrak is the real deal.
Originally posted by Mindseti forget the issue, but it was soon after juggernaut got punched from canada to new jersey iirc
What did Bishop do?
he's at the x-mansion and acting all scarred n shit, and some of the x-men confront him outside. long story short, bishop pulls up some underground power cables and absorbs a city's worth of power (or large amount)and then channels into juggernaut who promptly falls defeated.