pak still owes me a new pair of pants from the meik confession incident, my boner tore right through that bytch something fierce
anyway...
as others stated before, juggernaut thought he was hot shit against green scar (who couldn't have given a crap about him at the time), then we see hulk make green scar power level look like gray hulk's in comparison.
that hulk would definitely have juggernaut in fetal position just trying to defend the repeated battering he'd be getting from hulk, no chance of offense.... best case scenario for him
juggernaut can't even see skaar for that matter
Originally posted by psycho gundam
pak still owes me a new pair of pants from the meik confession incident, my boner tore right through that bytch something fierceanyway...
as others stated before, juggernaut thought he was hot shit against green scar (who couldn't have given a crap about him at the time), then we see hulk make green scar power level look like gray hulk's in comparison.
that hulk would definitely have juggernaut in fetal position just trying to defend the repeated battering he'd be getting from hulk, no chance of offense.... best case scenario for him
juggernaut can't even see skaar for that matter
Heh. You must have creamed yourslef when he went World Breaker.
I could debate the rest, however, it'd be much more simpler to point out that Cain has the ability to call on a nifty force field.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the same forcefield juggtards said doesn't exist anymore?coulda used it here:
hulk took a punch from skaar packing 100,000,000,000,000 ton strength, then proceeded to shaq palm his son's face
When did he say that?
But then, how would Skaar win?
Okay, and?
You know, that number really isn't impressive at all when we look at the scale either Thor or Superman have worked at.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusi don't have the direct quote, but i've discussed juggernaut/thor before many times and it was a resounding "no" concerning the "activation" of his field, iirc they said it was always there or something along those lines
When did he say that?But then, how would Skaar win?
Okay, and?
You know, that number really isn't impressive at all when we look at the scale either Thor or Superman have worked at.
most likely it has something to do with the stripping of his FF by thor, i'm almost certain it has something to do with one of those many debates on that
skaar whooped that ass
and hulk wasn't to damaged from the strength of skaar that much anyway, he also seemed to betaking it easy on him at times
People seem to forget that this is WBH, the strongest incarnation of Hulk to date. Even stronger than WarHulk or WWH.
I'm no Hulk fan (in fact, I despise him), but Classic Juggernaut will feel pain like never before if he ever encountered WBH.
The freak was causing tremors just by walking. How the hell will Classic Juggs even flinch him?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You say angriest possible. I say angriest seen so far. And everything he's done in that angry state... is just struggle to control and reign it in rather than bust out.I'm talking about Wolverine #93 where we see the aftermath and Juggernaut wakes up after having been knocked out. I actually can't recall the specifics of Uncanny X-Men #322 at the moment. Scans?
Here are the final two scans from Uncanny X-Men #322:
http://img38.imageshack.us/i/theuncannyxmen32229.jpg/
http://img31.imageshack.us/i/theuncannyxmen32230.jpg/
I also looked up Wolverine 93. It does seem that Juggernaut just regained consciousness in that issue. So he may have passed out after that incident, but I think that's largely a doing of Onslaught than Bishop (Beast makes it very clear).
I know. Juggernaut is still has more strength to call upon as wanted. Cytorrak said as much.
EDIT: Also, it's worth mentioning that it was electrical energy 'channeled and rechanneled' into Juggernaut that apparently knocked him out. It wasn't a concussive blast.
Originally posted by Ladies_Man_666You should read it. It's a lot of fights scenes but there are far more subtle scenes there which people gloss over. WWH didn't want to break the world. And when he ended up going Worldbreaker, he struggled to rein it in.
I wasn't saying anything. I was asking. I haven't read WWH fully yet.
He was controlling his anger? Correct me if I'm wrong but, wasn't he waging a war on Earth during the WWH saga? That doesn't fit with trying to keep your temper in check.
Originally posted by Ladies_Man_666So Onslaught stripped away Juggernaut's "invincibility" enchantment so that Bishop could knock him out with electricity? Personally, I doubt it. Juggernaut got beat up and than beat down physically.
Here are the final two scans from Uncanny X-Men #322:http://img38.imageshack.us/i/theuncannyxmen32229.jpg/
http://img31.imageshack.us/i/theuncannyxmen32230.jpg/I also looked up Wolverine 93. It does seem that Juggernaut just regained consciousness in that issue. So he may have passed out after that incident, but I think that's largely a doing of Onslaught than Bishop (Beast makes it very clear).
The writers have also stated this, twice. They even went as far as saying that Juggy is [b]stronger
than The Hulk.EDIT: Also, it's worth mentioning that it was electrical energy 'channeled and rechanneled' into Juggernaut that apparently knocked him out. It wasn't a concussive blast.
Distinguishing the on-panel use of electricity/sonics to fashion a strained exception to the "rule" that Juggernaut cannot be physically harmed with blunt force makes as little sense to me as using Asgardian magic/Celestial energies to fashion the strained exception to the "rule" that Juggernaut cannot be stopped with physical strength. Because it's the last one that gives me the hardest trouble because as far as I saw, War Hulk wasn't using the Celestial energies to counteract Juggernaut's "unstoppability." He was using tapping the Celestial energies to amp his strength and used physical force to stop Juggernaut. So in my opinion, Juggernaut's "invincibility" and "unstoppability" have their limits. And I personally think WBH exceeds them by a wide margin.
Originally posted by Ladies_Man_666WBH thunderclaps his head. WBH wins.
I've also checked Uncanny X-Men 194, where Juggernaut fights Nimrod. It seems Nimrod stunned him with ultra-high sonic frequencies. He was paralyzed, not KO'd.
I'm positive Hulk isn't capable of something like that.
... Hulk's strength keeps going up with his anger. I predict him growing more and more frustrated with his inability to blast juggernaut away. Case of unstoppable force meeting immovable object. However unlike most cases the unstoppable force isn't the juggernaut for once... Problem is is Juggernaut's strength is steady. The Hulk's would grow over time. Eventually Hulks force just crushes the immovable object into dust.
both end up floating in space..
also pretty sure the gem of cytorrak feeds jugg power regardless..
a competent user with the gem of cytorrak should be able to replicate the power gem abilities..
as it stands it will just keep countering hulk's strength output till jugg starts using momentum and shields.. after that hulk cant do squat.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You should read it. It's a lot of fights scenes but there are far more subtle scenes there which people gloss over. WWH didn't want to break the world. And when he ended up going Worldbreaker, he struggled to rein it in. So Onslaught stripped away Juggernaut's "invincibility" enchantment so that Bishop could knock him out with electricity? Personally, I doubt it. Juggernaut got beat up and than beat down physically.
Distinguishing the on-panel use of electricity/sonics to fashion a strained exception to the "rule" that Juggernaut cannot be physically harmed with blunt force makes as little sense to me as using Asgardian magic/Celestial energies to fashion the strained exception to the "rule" that Juggernaut cannot be stopped with physical strength. Because it's the last one that gives me the hardest trouble because as far as I saw, War Hulk wasn't using the Celestial energies to counteract Juggernaut's "unstoppability." He was using tapping the Celestial energies to amp his strength and used physical force to stop Juggernaut. So in my opinion, Juggernaut's "invincibility" and "unstoppability" have their limits.
WBH thunderclaps his head. WBH wins.
Another thing, Juggernaut draws his power from the Gem, so if someone were to take away that Gem, what would happen? And where does he keep it? I think I recall Onslaught taking it out of his chest. Has he fused with the Gem?
^ Juggernaut still had his helmet on. So unless Onslaught tore his helmet off, mind-whammied him, and then nicely placed his helmet back on before punting him from Canada, it pretty much wasn't telepathy.
Originally posted by Ladies_Man_666Which means he isn't "invincible."
I'm not saying he just can't be harmed by physical means, someone can probably do that. I just haven't seen enough to conclude that someone like the Hulk (or even World Breaker Hulk) could do that.
As for electricity and sonics, I sincerely believe that they work in a very different manner compared with what the Hulk has in his arsenal. Electric shocks distort the synapses and the bodily impulses. A punch definitely doesn't do the same.
But that was a secondary reason. IMO, if it had been The Hulk there instead of Bishop, he could have subdued the Juggernaut. Juggernaut just...gassed, if I can call it that. Just minutes before that he didn't even have a detectable heartbeat.
Originally posted by Ladies_Man_666No. Hulk has never made an ultra sonic attack with his thunderclaps to my knowledge.
A thunderclap isn't going to produce something like that. A loud noise, yes, but ultra high frequencies? I'm skeptical about it, it's not possible. But then again, it's comics. Has Hulk done that before?Another thing, Juggernaut draws his power from the Gem, so if someone were to take away that Gem, what would happen? And where does he keep it? I think I recall Onslaught taking it out of his chest. Has he fused with the Gem?
Juggernaut sometimes retains his powers, sometimes he doesn't.
