Originally posted by OneDumbG0
basilisk: You deserve a 👆 for that. Got home from work at 11:30 PM. Did laundry. Read Doomwar #1. Went to sleep. I did upload the scans though, so maybe later. Depends also on if I decide on the short version or the long version.mmm
All good mang.. when you can. I would prefer the long version but that is just me.
Originally posted by basilisk
Hmm... in the comics they state Wakanda as being more advanced than the U.S. So I guess Latveria could be too...
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Then why is everyone there running around with a spear and no pants?
It may well be that that civilization is evolving toward a state of minimal government interference, greater personal freedoms, and ultimately, pantlessness.
The spear and the lack of pants represent both the right to bear arms and the right to bare ass. While a pantless American will quickly be arrested by police, thus demonstrating the repressive social control exerted on U.S. citizens by the state, the happy and free Wakandan faces no such restrictions. Who, I ask, is truly the more advanced?
Originally posted by basiliskNice one but seriously have you scans of the rest of Waknda? To me it always appeared that marvel is using the african cliché I would maybe agree that Black Panther's "castle" is more advanced but not the whole country, same goes for Latveria except for castle Doom it looks like they copy pasted it from some random dracula movie and germany is still ruled by Nazis...
It may well be that that civilization is evolving toward a state of minimal government interference, greater personal freedoms, and ultimately, pantlessness.The spear and the lack of pants represent both the right to bear arms and the right to bare ass. While a pantless American will quickly be arrested by police, thus demonstrating the repressive social control exerted on U.S. citizens by the state, the happy and free Wakandan faces no such restrictions. Who, I ask, is truly the more advanced?
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Nice one but seriously have you scans of the rest of Waknda? To me it always appeared that marvel is using the african cliché I would maybe agree that Black Panther's "castle" is more advanced but not the whole country, same goes for Latveria except for castle Doom it looks like they copy pasted it from some random dracula movie and germany is still ruled by Nazis...
In Doomwar, the Wakandan guy claimed that Wakanda was the most technologically advanced nation on the planet!
With Latveria, it's more that Doom claimed he had eliminated things like crime and unemployment, not so much that everyone had access to his super-tech or that the whole country was advanced.
I don't think everyone gets access to all the good stuff or the benefits of all that technology in either country. Or in the U.S. for that matter.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThere are two extremes you could interpret the Alien Entity's use of Reed's "knowledge." The highest extreme is, Reed literally knows how to map the Omniverse. He knows every single law of physics and otherwise that makes the omniverse work, every single molecule's placement, every single event that did or would occur, etc. The other extreme, is Reed's knowledge is a very loose term and mainly symbolic as the Alien Entity simply extracts very abstract ideas to fashion the new universe, doing all of the work himself through extrapolating Reed's mind.
All good mang.. when you can. I would prefer the long version but that is just me.
In my opinion, the feat is somewhere in-between. But far more down the scale towards the lowest extreme and the Alien Entity does most of the work.
Reed isn't entirely passive in the affair. He isn't a mere symbolic representation of knowledge... (like the Alien Entity had literally become the question). He does have to concentrate and consciously guide the Alien Entity. However, I believe Reed only does so in a very abstract way.
In other words, Reed thinks of thermodynamics and the law of equivalent exchange, or of the four fundamental forces in the universe and how stars form and the Alien Entity uses that to make a universe. Why do I think that? First, because the Alien Entity already demonstrated the ability to make a universe that didn't follow those rules:
Also, in the above scan, it shows that Reed's mind can only contain so much (at a time he is merely observing). So any idea that Reed's mind contains the blueprint of the entire Omniverse is utterly dispelled. Also, Reed literally just thinks of "home" and the Earth starts materializing:
But how am I absolutely confident that Reed is only thinking very abstractly and the AE is extrapolating from that and doing most of the work? Mainly because of these pages:
Here, Reed witnesses and guides the Alien Entity into fashioning the original cosmic rays that hit the shuttle turning them into the FF. But how does Reed fashion them? Does he think/state, "Ok, Alien Entity... change the wavelengths to e=2^5 - mc64 which will transmute our molecules to blahblahblahblah?" No. All Reed does is simply think abstract thoughts, "Sue, so quiet as a child. And Johnny, so fiery in his temperament. And Ben, hard as stone on the outside." These are Reed's specific thoughts and are incredibly abstract. And the cosmic rays are thus changed to transform them all accordingly... not through strict equations, but through abstract flowery afterthoughts.
Reed only provided the basic fundamental knowledge (i) that makes a universe sustain itself, i.e., equivalent exchange, four fundamental forces, etc. (ii) that makes life perpetuate itself via the idea of evolution. But only in the abstract. Hence, a well-educated physicist/biologist could have his mind tapped to accomplish the same. This is specifically demonstrated by Reed supposedly "fashioning" the cosmic rays, but only doing so by thinking very abstract, non-specific thoughts. Is it a monumental feat to be a part of? Yes, Reed was a part of the birth of the universe. But it wasn't a strict intelligence feat in the slightest.
Hence, Reed did not literally map the Omniverse. That's a KMC forum myth.
The Alien Entity re-created the entire Marvel Universe.
The Alien Entity used Reed's mind as a guide.
(the 09' Handbook supports this truth, that it was literally Reed's knowledge that the AE used)
Without Reed's mind,
it was impossible for the AE to re-create a balanced working Omniverse.
All hail the mind of Reed!
^ Yes, without Reed's mind, it was impossible to recreate a sustainable universe. Because (i) the AE had become a literal living question, and (ii) was bereft of knowledge (obsessed only with truth):
Hence the on-panel focus on thinking of thermodynamics, fundamental forces and evolution abstractly. Yay for hyperbole.
^ It is fact that Reed's abstract knowledge of physics and evolution allowed the AE to extrapolate from it and recreate a sustainable universe that didn't collapse onto itself. Because it is fact that there was nobody else's knowledge to grasp onto since the AE was bereft of knowledge.
I know where you stand.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed has the mind of a God!
slightly tangential question but, who do people think is the smartest character, based upon the way they run their shit?
I think Reed comes close, he has a very "ivory tower" type deal, is feted by world powers, is consulted by the men behind the curtain (indeed he is one of them) and has a hot ass wife but ... I'm thinking maybe Tony Stark has the edge... he is similarly politically influential, but gets his hands a little more dirty, and is more rewarded and more of an actor than Reed ... oh and the hot women come in droves ✅
Originally posted by janus77
Banner seemed to out himself as number 5 on the list (stating that he was the smartest good guy "as of now", right after Pym got pinched).imo, Banner should be 2nd to Reed/Doom (or equal).
But I wouldn't put him at equals with the greatness of Reed/Doom.
Originally posted by janus77
ah so Sentry only kept Ares' intestines?
😄slightly tangential question but, who do people think is the smartest character, based upon the way they run their shit?
I think Reed comes close, he has a very "ivory tower" type deal, is feted by world powers, is consulted by the men behind the curtain (indeed he is one of them) and has a hot ass wife but ... I'm thinking maybe Tony Stark has the edge... he is similarly politically influential, but gets his hands a little more dirty, and is more rewarded and more of an actor than Reed ... oh and the hot women come in droves ✅
Originally posted by 753
That's a common allegory to ilustrate how strategists or leaders manipulate their 'pieces', allies and underlings, in a confrontation.The game between richards and stark was just a literal game that shows stark is a better chess player, not that he is more intelligent.
Originally posted by 753
Yes, but my point is that being a better chess player does not, in principle, make you any smarter than players who are not as good as you.
