Originally posted by Desaad
Off the top of my head, Reed celestial killing guns happened in Hickman's first official arc on Fantastic Four, the recreation of the entire universe happened during JMS' run at the end of his first big arc, pocket universes happened during the Waid Unthinkable arc and then once much earlier when he had one that had a complete replica of the skrull homeworld, the stripping Galen of the Power Cosmic happened at the end of Waid's last Fantastic Four arc (where Johnny gets the Power Cosmic), the TVA thing happened during Walter Simonson's arc, the master of Doom thing happened in the last issue of Millar's run on the title, the Mad Thinker comparison happened during the first issue of Mcduffie's run on the title.I'd have to go back and look for the specific issue numbers, but that should point you to the right direction.
Thanks anyway.
Originally posted by Galan007
Lex is smart, but he is not on Reed's level.The Celestial gun feat happened in F4 #572. The feat where Reed's mind was used as the blueprint for recreating the entire Marvel universe happened in F4 #532. Transforming Galactus back into Galen happened in F4# 522. The TVA virus feat happened in F4# 354. The Master of Doom feat happened in F4 #569.
Those are the ones I know off the top of my head.
Thanks you really helped me a lot.
Originally posted by DesaadAlternate reality Celestials. An entire alternate universe's worth of Celestials was apparently taken down by a single Cosmic Cube. Doom's Power Cosmic Siphon Harness has taken down a 616 Watcher and 616 Galactus.
Creating a device that kills Celestials?His mind being the blueprint for the recreation of the entire universe?
Creating devices that create pocket universes (twice)?
Stripping Galen of the Power Cosmic? (Not just absorbing some power, but actually turning Galactus into Galen).
Not really.
IIRC, pocket dimensions. Pretty sure Pym has done the same.
Doom reduced Galactus to his powerless Galan form in Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Comic Magazine.
Originally posted by DesaadDid this strike anybody else as a feat of super-dickery?
Caging a galaxy as an anniversary gift for Sue?Creating a virus that basically destroys the TVA?
Creating a machine to save Galactus' life?
Condensing the power of all the multiversal versions of the FF into the power to defeat the Master of Doom?
Not really.
Amusing he can't work on the micro-scale like creating a machine to save Kitty's life.
This was impressive. Still less impressive than humbling the Beyonder.
Originally posted by DesaadDoom's temporal manipulation machines are not limited to time traveling with his Time Platform. Reed doesn't know jack about magic.
Even direct comparisons between he and someone like the Mad Thinker in which the Thinker admits that he's like a caveman compared to Reed...I mean, jeez, that's insane.The one that that Doom has on Reed is the creation of his Time Machine. Reed has never done that from scratch, has always used Doom's plans, so I'll give you that. But it just seems, to me, that Reed has the craziest feats in comics, bar none. The only one who REALLY matches him is, arguably, Brainiac 5, and even that is iffy.
Originally posted by Lunacyde
There are literally dozens of ways to measure intelligence so this thread is really faulty to begin with. Scientifically Reed may but the best, but strategically, emotionally, bodily-kinesthetically, musically, artistically, spacially, etc he may not be.
In terms of all-around, Mr. Terrific and Batman are probably the two best.
Originally posted by Lunacyde
There are literally dozens of ways to measure intelligence so this thread is really faulty to begin with. Scientifically Reed may but the best, but strategically, emotionally, bodily-kinesthetically, musically, artistically, spacially, etc he may not be.
Thank you. That was i have been trying to say along but you have to remember that logical and reasoning skills are seen has intelligence. There are different types of mental abilities such has logic,logical descion, procces information, creavtivity, solving problems skills, analytical skills,visal spital. Scientist dicovers most things by using logic deduction especially when they makes they thories inventors use they creativity to image what they are going to create then they use logic to figure out how they are going to build the device that they have visalize the same appies to Reed Richards it not his scientifc knowldege that makes brillant it his intellect that makes him brillant he applies intellect via science. bodily-kinesthetically involes muscle memory and thought procces and muscial intelligence involes creavity and intuition.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Alternate reality Celestials. An entire alternate universe's worth of Celestials was apparently taken down by a single Cosmic Cube. Doom's Power Cosmic Siphon Harness has taken down a 616 Watcher and 616 Galactus.
When has a Watcher done anything on the level of even an alternate reality celestial, or a cosmic cube?
The Cosmic Siphon Harness only took the power of Galactus when it was combined with the Cosmic Cube, The Cosmic Control Rod, The Helix of Randac, etc.
Not really.
Yes, really.
IIRC, pocket dimensions. Pretty sure Pym has done the same.
Nope. Pym didn't create the pocket dimension in which the Infinite Avengers Mansion resided, that was created when Janet self destructed.
And Doom never, ever has.
Doom reduced Galactus to his powerless Galan form in Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Comic Magazine.
With just a machine? No, only with the help of numerous cosmic items.
Not really.
Yup. Wiped their memory banks and everything, leaving them in total disarray.
Amusing he can't work on the micro-scale like creating a machine to save Kitty's life.
Did Doom?
This was impressive. Still less impressive than humbling the Beyonder.
Retconned.
Doom's temporal manipulation machines are not limited to time traveling with his Time Platform.
What else are you referring to? I certainly hope you're not talking about the Simonson Doom/Reed fight.
Reed doesn't know jack about magic.
Which is another type of intelligence entirely, and even though Reed DOESN'T know magic, HASN'T studied it, he was still able to use it to his advantage against the life long magic student Doom in "Unthinkable".
But if magical knowledge is on here, then certainly someone like Strange or Hector Hall Dr. Fate should be on this list.
Originally posted by Desaadhttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=472567&pagenumber=1 😐
When has a Watcher done anything on the level of even an alternate reality celestial, or a cosmic cube?The Cosmic Siphon Harness only took the power of Galactus when it was combined with the Cosmic Cube, The Cosmic Control Rod, The Helix of Randac, etc.
It's more than arguable what the various artifacts did. And didn't that feat in Fantastic Four #522 involve Galactus' own tech and Johnny's Cosmic Awareness?
Originally posted by DesaadI already had this argument on page 22. Enough with that pile of horse poo.
Yes, really.Nope. Pym didn't create the pocket dimension in which the Infinite Avengers Mansion resided, that was created when Janet self destructed.
And Doom never, ever has.
I wasn't referring to the Infinite Avengers Mansion, I was referring to his Pym Pocket. Noh-Varr had a tool that created a pocket dimension also.
And Reed never, ever has invented a Time Platform. So what? Guess since Noh-Varr can time-travel as shown in Avengers vol.4, he's better than both Reed and Doom. Go figure.
Originally posted by DesaadSame question as above. And it's not the first time Doom's stolen Galactus' power if that matters to you.
With just a machine? No, only with the help of numerous cosmic items.Yup. Wiped their memory banks and everything, leaving them in total disarray.
Did Doom?
And he didn't destroy the TVA. The TVA is perpetually in turmoil and disarray. That's the tongue-in-cheek joke concerning the TVA.
Yes. Reed was the "assistant."
Originally posted by DesaadSecret Wars II was retconned. Not Secret Wars. And whether or not SW Beyonder could make the Living Tribunal cow in fear like was suggested in Secret Wars II, that Beyonder's power still dwarfed Galactus' power on-panel.
Retconned.What else are you referring to? I certainly hope you're not talking about the Simonson Doom/Reed fight.
I'm talking about a grenade invented by Doom that throws people two seconds into the past. I'm talking about a machine invented by Doom which completely freezes time within a localized radius that encompasses an entire town. I'm talking about his own armor's circuitry simultaneously preventing him from being frozen in time. I'm talking about his armor's Time Cube which can reverse time in a localized area aligning it with the present.
Originally posted by DesaadFine. Doom has never studied the creation of pocket dimensions. This lack of study into certain fields clearly excuses Doom, if it excuses Reed concerning magic. Except interdimensional physics is one subset of physics, which is one subset in the entirety of natural science. Like voodoo is one subset of black magic which is one subset of the entirety of all magic. And Reed doesn't know squat about the entirety of magic, not just a subset of a subset of magic. And Reed didn't use magic "to his advantage" as much as he managed to accidentally figure out the firing system of Dr. Strange's magical talisman, i.e., self-deprecation.
Which is another type of intelligence entirely, and even though Reed DOESN'T know magic, HASN'T studied it, he was still able to use it to his advantage against the life long magic student Doom in "Unthinkable".But if magical knowledge is on here, then certainly someone like Strange or Hector Hall Dr. Fate should be on this list.
Yeah. Except Strange and Hector Hall and Dr. Fate know jack-sh1t about science and tech as much as Reed knows jack-sh1t about magic. Doom's an expert at both. And that's the point.