Who's the smartest/wisest/most intelligent comic character?

Originally posted by beast1234
[B]They are different field of physics Reed himself stated that Doctot Oc was the his better when it comes to radiation despite being a genius in radiation himself.

Where did this occur? Sounds like lip service, to me, based on their respective radiation-based feats. Recall, the entire origin of the Fantastic Four is related to cosmic radiation...Reed's chief area of study would have been cosmic radiation.

Reed is not better then Magneto when it comes geneticist he has more knowledge when it comes to cloning, he has created human being from scratch.

It seems unlikely that Magneto is better than Reed in any way. Reed, after all, was able to create a device to stop Mags.

In terms of biological ability,I don't know...there was the Quasi-modo thing, and then the fact that he's been able to shift his and his family's biology into the subatomic realm multiple times, cure Ben multiple times, finds a way to save Galactus' life, figures out a way to seperate galactus from the Power Cosmic, etc.

I bet you he is one of the few people that can cure Ben Grimm or find a way to take away the rock skin and still maintain is super strength.

Reed has already managed to cure Ben at least twice that I'm aware of, if not 3 times.

Originally posted by chomperx9
if Dr Doom and Reed switched places being super hero and villains. Doom would win more and be smarter.

Maybe, but the sad truth is Doom's feats don't come close to matching those of Reed. It's not even a contest, really.

Originally posted by Desaad
Maybe, but the sad truth is Doom's feats don't come close to matching those of Reed. It's not even a contest, really.

Originally posted by Desaad
Where did this occur? Sounds like lip service, to me, based on their respective radiation-based feats. Recall, the entire origin of the Fantastic Four is related to cosmic radiation...Reed's chief area of study would have been cosmic radiation.

It seems unlikely that Magneto is better than Reed in any way. Reed, after all, was able to create a device to stop Mags.

In terms of biological ability,I don't know...there was the Quasi-modo thing, and then the fact that he's been able to shift his and his family's biology into the subatomic realm multiple times, cure Ben multiple times, finds a way to save Galactus' life, figures out a way to seperate galactus from the Power Cosmic, etc.

Reed has already managed to cure Ben at least twice that I'm aware of, if not 3 times.

To answer the OP, the High Evolutionary is leagues above RR's intelectually.

Originally posted by Mindset
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Hey, I'm not hating on Doom, it's just the harsh reality of all that Reed has accomplished. The guy is insane.

What feats of Reed's hasn't Doom even come close to matching?

Originally posted by Desaad
No human character is smarter than Reed Richards, or at least they can't match the effects he's made with his technology. He's twice created pocket universes and once created a device to destroy a Celestial. He's consistently shown domination over all his supposed peers at Marvel in every raw scientific comparison that one might make (he lost, however, to Stark in a game of chess).

The hard truth is, he's shown himself to be smarter than most COSMIC tech guys in terms of what he's come up with -- certainly Thanos and the High Evolutionary never created any technology that had an effect on the level of what Richards has -- but when real comparisons come into play, he always says they are far superior to whatever he could build. Go figure.

Originally posted by 753
[B]magneto has created adult superhuman lifeforms more poweull than anything RR's ever come close to touching in his limited biology experiments. He once assembled a cloning machine out of kitchen appliances. Forge has created power dampeners too, that doesnt put him anywhere near magneto, sinister or apocalypse's competence in genetics and biology. What RR did to Galactus and DD did to the SS doesnt envolve biology at all, annilation confirms G is not a biological lifeform.

Annihilation doesn't say that Galactus isn't biological, just that the Power Cosmic acts on a level beyond the biological. Infinity Abyss confirms that Galactus IS biological, and has DNA (since Thanos was able to create a clone of him with 'stolen DNA'😉, and the Gruenwald Quasar series confirms that Galactus is indeed a physical, rather than abstract, being during the explanation of M-Bodies.

Learning how to separate the Power Cosmic from the biological Galen is undoubtedly biological. It's complex and requires more than mere biological knowledge, but to say it isn't biological is denial.

Same deal with reverting Ben Grimm to the Thing, which you yourself used as an example of something that Reed wouldn't be able to accomplish (despite the fact that he has, on multiple occasions) and that Magneto's 'biological acumen' would allow him to do.

Creating clones is really not a big deal. That's kind of child's play, really, for someone on Reed's level.

Originally posted by Mindset
What feats of Reed's hasn't Doom even come close to matching?

Creating a device that kills Celestials?

His mind being the blueprint for the recreation of the entire universe?

Creating devices that create pocket universes (twice)?

Stripping Galen of the Power Cosmic? (Not just absorbing some power, but actually turning Galactus into Galen).

Caging a galaxy as an anniversary gift for Sue?

Creating a virus that basically destroys the TVA?

Creating a machine to save Galactus' life?

Condensing the power of all the multiversal versions of the FF into the power to defeat the Master of Doom?

Even direct comparisons between he and someone like the Mad Thinker in which the Thinker admits that he's like a caveman compared to Reed...I mean, jeez, that's insane.

The one that that Doom has on Reed is the creation of his Time Machine. Reed has never done that from scratch, has always used Doom's plans, so I'll give you that. But it just seems, to me, that Reed has the craziest feats in comics, bar none. The only one who REALLY matches him is, arguably, Brainiac 5, and even that is iffy.

Originally posted by Desaad
Annihilation doesn't say that Galactus isn't biological, just that the Power Cosmic acts on a level beyond the biological. Infinity Abyss confirms that Galactus IS biological, and has DNA (since Thanos was able to create a clone of him with 'stolen DNA'😉, and the Gruenwald Quasar series confirms that Galactus is indeed a physical, rather than abstract, being during the explanation of M-Bodies.

Learning how to separate the Power Cosmic from the biological Galen is undoubtedly biological. It's complex and requires more than mere biological knowledge, but to say it isn't biological is denial.

Same deal with reverting Ben Grimm to the Thing, which you yourself used as an example of something that Reed wouldn't be able to accomplish (despite the fact that he has, on multiple occasions) and that Magneto's 'biological acumen' would allow him to do.

Creating clones is really not a big deal. That's kind of child's play, really, for someone on Reed's level.

Like I said: "magneto has created adult superhuman lifeforms more poweull than anything RR's ever come close to touching in his limited biology experiments" And he did. Alpha the Ultimate Mutant and the savage land mutates for example. Richards's genetics feats cant compete with Magnus's.

Inconsistancies regarding Galactus. Annihlation not only says the PC is beyond biology, thanos states that not all life-forms are biological and he was clearly talking about G who is living and abiological. It makes a hell of a lot more sense btw.

Dr Doom himself acknowledged to beast that biology wasn't his forte (after all the times he screwed with the SS) and he is Richard's counteropart in everyway.

Curing the thing should be one of the easiest tasks arround marvel earth. He only stays like that because the plot requires it. And the fact that RR has never found a permanent solution to the problem, or a way for thing to shift back and forth, speaks more against him than anything.

It's not just making clones, it's the ease with which he does it.

Originally posted by 753
that's because they don't have their own title filled with PIS. They get less scream time. This is like asking people to prove thanos is stronger than thor cause he lacks weight lifting feats. Their feats are better in many field anyway.

Despite equal or more 'scream time', as you put it, Tony Stark, Hank Pym, Hank McCoy, etc don't have feats on the level of Stark.

And Thanos has had plenty of 'scream time' (as well as the strongest PIS field in comics), and operates on a cosmic scale, and still hasn't matched the type of feats that Reed has.

Generally speaking, I wouldn't ask for the sheer NUMBER of feats that Reed has, but I'd ask for like one or two that are on the level of Reed's greatest feats. I think that's a fair way to benchmark it out -- someone like Brainiac 5 or T.O. Morrow...they don't have the sheer number of feats that Reed does, but they've got one or two that match up with Reed's best, and that's good enough for me.

That said, direct comparisons trump raw feats for me every time, so I acknowledge that guys like Thanos and the High Evolutionary are supposed to have technology above that of Reed. I'm just saying that if one were to go by pure feats, nobody really matches up to Reed.

Originally posted by 753
Like I said: "magneto has created adult superhuman lifeforms more poweull than anything RR's ever come close to touching in his limited biology experiments" And he did. Alpha the Ultimate Mutant and the savage land mutates for example. Richards's genetics feats cant compete with Magnus's.

That's fine with me -- Reed doesn't generally play around in that area. I've never seen him admit any real limitations in that field, and when he was comparing himself to the world's leading xenobiologist he made it clear that he could match his level with just a couple of weeks worth of study. He may not have the raw knowledge that someone like Mags does, but the fact that he can match it in a few weeks makes him 'smarter', IMHO.

Inconsistancies regarding Galactus. Annihlation not only says the PC is beyond biology, thanos states that not all life-forms are biological and he was clearly talking about G who is living and abiological. It makes a hell of a lot more sense btw.

Maybe it does maybe it doesn't. The point is, there is obviously some sort of biological component to what Reed was able to accomplish. When he turned Galactus into Galen, he created a BIOLOGICAL being (Galen), so obviously some biology was there. And when he cured Galactus, he specifically likens his machine to a dialysis machine, or artificial kidneys.

Dr Doom himself acknowledged to beast that biology wasn't his forte (after all the times he screwed with the SS) and he is Richard's counteropart in everyway.

I don't think he IS Reed's counterpart, but that's another debate. I do think it not being his forte means something different to him than it does to most (ie, even if it's not his best subject he's still absurdly good at it).

Curing the thing should be one of the easiest tasks arround marvel earth. He only stays like that because the plot requires it. And the fact that RR has never found a permanent solution to the problem, or a way for thing to shift back and forth, speaks more against him than anything.

Regardless of the 'real' reasons that somehting is difficult, in comics it's portrayed as something very difficult. To the best of my knowledge only Reed Richards and Dr. Doom have ever accomplished the feat.

It's not just making clones, it's the ease with which he does it.

How difficult should it be?

Originally posted by Desaad
Where did this occur? Sounds like lip service, to me, based on their respective radiation-based feats. Recall, the entire origin of the Fantastic Four is related to cosmic radiation...Reed's chief area of study would have been cosmic radiation.

It seems unlikely that Magneto is better than Reed in any way. Reed, after all, was able to create a device to stop Mags.

In terms of biological ability,I don't know...there was the Quasi-modo thing, and then the fact that he's been able to shift his and his family's biology into the subatomic realm multiple times, cure Ben multiple times, finds a way to save Galactus' life, figures out a way to seperate galactus from the Power Cosmic, etc.

Note that i did not say that Reed is not a genius in biology he is but he is not on the level of magneto. He remove the power cosmic from Galactus it did invole biology skills but not to a larage extent it was mostly phycis and his vast understanding of cosmic energy. Reed richards once to Doctor Oc for help in radiation.

Reed has already managed to cure Ben at least twice that I'm aware of, if not 3 times.

Note that i did not say that Reed is not a genius in biology he is but he is not on the level of magneto. He remove the power cosmic from Galactus it did invole biology skills but not to a larage extent it was mostly phycis and his vast understanding of cosmic energy. Reed richards once to Doctor Oc for help in radiation.

Reed has already managed to cure Ben at least twice that I'm aware of, if not 3 times.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

Originally posted by Black bolt z
We know wolverine is smarter then reed

how

Originally posted by beast1234
how

For what it's worth, I'm not against the idea of Reed not being the best in everything, it just seems to me that Marvel's stance on the subject is just that -- that even if he's not the best at something at the moment, with a little bit of study he can adapt and outstrip anyone else, even if they've been studying it their whole lives.

Wasn't that sort of the point of Waid's "Unthinkable", as well? That Reed could adapt and use magic to defeat Dr. Doom, even though Doom has been an accomplished mage all his life?

I'm not even a FF fan, but this is what I've gleaned from my exposure.

Originally posted by beast1234
how