Originally posted by Tha C-Master
MA skill you mean?It depends on the universe. But generally it is. Because some guys can't shoot mega fireballs don't mean that they can't use chi. Actually we all can anyways.
Not in marvel comics. Capt and Wolverine can't uses chi. There at odds with there own bodies which makes it impossiable skill for them to learn it. There much more skilled then any hand ninjas and so forth some of which use;s chi amp abilities.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganRight, it is a seperate power with some characters, but it is a power that is raised by the person's fighting skill as they get better at it. If a character simply cannot do it, then obviously that is different.
yesNot in marvel comics. Capt and Wolverine can't uses chi. There at odds with there own bodies which makes it impossiable skill for them to learn it. There much more skilled then any hand ninjas and so forth some of which use;s chi amp abilities.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Right, it is a seperate power with some characters, but it is a power that is raised by the person's fighting skill as they get better at it. If a character simply cannot do it, then obviously that is different.
its a mystical skill taught separately it isnt all encompassing to the whole of MA.
that's like saying wrestler is better skilled trained then a Boxer, its two different focus on fighting neither having anything to do with the other.
look at it this way Moondragon was a trained MA's as well and through her training she learned meditative techniques to become a world class teleapth does that make her better skilled then IF or what about Gamora her knowledge is galactic level shouldnt she be a chi master as well.
how about cap and logan they know every MA on the planet or majority but dont know Chi which is only a specific type of training.
or what about the hand these guys know magic through MA and other stuff but they are no better physically trained or skilled then anyone else. they just know those few magic moves and are still mediocre in combat both physically and skills.
mastering the use of chi does not make you anymore or better skilled then the guy who has only studied and mastered other arts that does not know or use Chi.
otherwise Dr. Strange through the use of magic is a better Martial Artist then everyone else since his knowledge will be assumed regardless of his one sided training.
Originally posted by King Castle
its a mystical skill taught separately it isnt all encompassing to the whole of MA.that's like saying wrestler is better skilled trained then a Boxer its two different focus on fighting neither having anything to do with the other.
look at it this way Moondragon was a trained MA's as well and through her training she learned meditative techniques to become a world class teleapth does that make her better skilled then IF or what about Gamora her knowledge is galactic level shouldnt she be a chi master as well.
how about cap and logan they know every MA on the planet or majority but dont know Chi which is only a specific type of training.
or what about the hand these guys know magic through MA and other stuff but they are no better physically trained or skilled then anyone else they are just now those few magic moves are still mediocre in combat physical skills.
mastering the use of chi does not make you anymore or better skilled then the guy who has only studied and mastered other arts that does not know or use Chi.
otherwise Dr. Strange through the use of magic is a better Martial
Artist then everyone else since his knowledge will be assumed regardless of his one sided training.
Originally posted by King CastleThat has more to do with MA being MA skill and not skill. In fiction fighters who amp chi are better as they improve in fighting and use it as such, IE Street Fighter. You could remove it, but it is a power and an MA skill as well.
its a mystical skill taught separately it isnt all encompassing to the whole of MA.that's like saying wrestler is better skilled trained then a Boxer, its two different focus on fighting neither having anything to do with the other.
look at it this way Moondragon was a trained MA's as well and through her training she learned meditative techniques to become a world class teleapth does that make her better skilled then IF or what about Gamora her knowledge is galactic level shouldnt she be a chi master as well.
how about cap and logan they know every MA on the planet or majority but dont know Chi which is only a specific type of training.
or what about the hand these guys know magic through MA and other stuff but they are no better physically trained or skilled then anyone else. they just know those few magic moves and are still mediocre in combat both physically and skills.
mastering the use of chi does not make you anymore or better skilled then the guy who has only studied and mastered other arts that does not know or use Chi.
otherwise Dr. Strange through the use of magic is a better Martial Artist then everyone else since his knowledge will be assumed regardless of his one sided training.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Good list 👆 helluva lot better than the last few pages.
Thanks. Listing all the guys that are top notch actually fills the spots before you get to the most popular streets. I guess that is why some of the lists we see are pretty much second tier IMO.
On second thought I`ll replace Elektra with Lord Shingen. Few apperances maybe but still..
Stick
Ogun
Mantis
Gorgon
Gamora
Iron Fist
Temugin
Mandarin
Moondragon
Lord Shingen
(no particular order)
As for Chi, you can train just to improve your health (Qigong) but this won`t let you "amp" or include offensive uses. Applying Chi to combat is definately a MA skill. Logan appears to be a master of Tai Chi (a very Chi oriented art, he went trough a form in Here comes tomorrow.) as well but with his adamantium skeleton it makes kind of sense he can`t do spectacular chi feats.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I like this list Shingen > Logan. Mandarin an obvious martial beast. Gorgon is surprising though.
Why is Gorgon suprising? He pretty much wiped the floor with Logan and Elektra at the same time, when ambushed even. Wolvie admitted to himself that trying to match his skills was not the way to go.
Not thinking about the other Gorgon are you?
Originally posted by Mshinu
Why is Gorgon suprising? He pretty much wiped the floor with Logan and Elektra at the same time, when ambushed even. Wolvie admitted to himself that trying to match his skills was not the way to go.
Not thinking about the other Gorgon are you?
Any scans of straight up skill feats.
Uh, the Gorgon on my list is Tomi Shishido.
I think he has a respect thread already.
(edit) here
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t506838.html
Uh, Tomi Shishido didn't "outskill" Elektra or Wolverine AT ALL. rofl
He's a metahuman with stats waaaaay above theirs and has telepathy, which he ultimately used to **** with Elektra after giving her hell. One of the reasons they even had to ambush him was because they needed SHIELD tp blockers.
He doesn't belong on any top 10 list.
And Shingen only ever beat Wolverine through extremely contrived circumstance. Wolverine was poisoned with enough chemicals to kill several men over when they dueled. They next time they fought, Shingen DIED. lol
Originally posted by Konton
Uh, Tomi Shishido didn't "outskill" Elektra or Wolverine AT ALL. roflHe's a metahuman with stats waaaaay above theirs and has telepathy, which he ultimately used to **** with Elektra after giving her hell. One of the reasons they even had to ambush him was because they needed SHIELD tp blockers.
He doesn't belong on any top 10 list.
And Shingen only ever beat Wolverine through extremely contrived circumstance. Wolverine was poisoned with enough chemicals to kill several men over when they dueled. They next time they fought, Shingen DIED. lol
Logan`s line when fighting Gorgon clearly says "Stop trying to match his skill" Despite the TP blockers their ambush was unsucessful.
As for Shingen he cut up Logan several times in their final fight, the last slice would have beheaded him without the adamantium.Wolvie only managed to grab the sword when it stopped at his neck.
Shingen may be in good shape for a human his age but the hairy canadian obviously held an edge in that regard.
The whole fight puts Logan in a pretty bad light.