Originally posted by The Nuul
No, aguring with fanboys is pointless. They will never change and will wank or use BS with their fav character.
also disagree with people trying to say wolverine (or any character like him such as capt , dp ect.) vs shang-cho (or any characters like him, such as danny ect.) usable as evidence because there physically superior, because there not. Sahng-chi is meta human physically as are people like danny ect. They are no physically inferior to characters like wolverine or capt, so such fights are perfect examples for determining skill. However I agree HF and adamatium should not be allowed in such debates, if either are clearly used in order for Wolverine to gain an advantages, that not skill thats powerset.
The best way to determine skill would obviously be to place them on equal footing without *any* powers. Fights in a comic book may translate to skill but not necessarily due to powers and plot devices. Especially when Wolverine can supposedly "take everything these guys dish out and not be hurt".
Put them in the same body, say a peak humans, and let them go from there.
Originally posted by StoicThat just gets ugly because of the variations of the characters, but all in all the SF characters tend to be on another level, it's their sthick.
Hey you really like these Street Fighter types huh? Who do you think would win between Ryu and, Ironfist? Also why aren't we allowed to use Street Fighter characters in forum battle? They are in comics, and not manga after all.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The best way to determine skill would obviously be to place them on equal footing without *any* powers. Fights in a comic book may translate to skill but not necessarily due to powers and plot devices. Especially when Wolverine can supposedly "take everything these guys dish out and not be hurt".Put them in the same body, say a peak humans, and let them go from there.
I agree with the "any powers" chi amping a form of a power.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Examples I been bringing up are when wolverine beat them through skill. meaning he did not rely on his healing factor. Such as when he fought DD and shang-chi, he pwned both of them, niether of which landed a hit during the fight.I agree with the "any powers" chi amping a form of a power.
and he didn't have any physical advantages over either of them?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWsame lvl of importance as a random person taking yoga.. talking and referencing chi in the body along with breathing and whantnot is just BS level mastery that you learn at the gym down the street. that was the lvl of cap's knowledge on the subject
I don't remember the exact issue number. It was The Other arc. Issue written by Hudlin.Cap was training Parker and instructing him in focusing his chi. Nothing impressive, just a short reference.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't remember the exact issue number. It was The Other arc. Issue written by Hudlin.Cap was training Parker and instructing him in focusing his chi. Nothing impressive, just a short reference.
I read that issue. Capt said that, but never demenstrated the ability to do so. Same with wolverine, they have basic knolwedge of it but no ability to do so. They are at odds with there own bodies which is what prevents either from chi amping to any real extent.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganYea it is a supernatural power tied from fighting in the general sense.
Examples I been bringing up are when wolverine beat them through skill. meaning he did not rely on his healing factor. Such as when he fought DD and shang-chi, he pwned both of them, niether of which landed a hit during the fight.I agree with the "any powers" chi amping a form of a power.
Say Akuma has great fighting skill and his chi is tied from it because his level of skill allowed him to pull it off. But it is a power as well. That's when I say MA is good against superhumans because it is actual powers. Just powers that came from MA skill.
With no "exotic abilities" I don't really feel the gap between most of these chars is significant enough to make a constant difference. There are just too many variables. And just because one person is 3% better doesn't grant them an auto victory.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and he didn't have any physical advantages over either of them?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
not against shang-chi (well that matter in the fight, stamina and durbaility never came into play). He superhuman accross the boards. DD hard to say, wolveirne does have physical advantages against him, but the ones that would have matter in there fight was speed reflexes. Both of which DD no slouch espically with his radar senses. Logan more or less kept blocking his attack until he could preform a choke holds.
so by that logic logan is so much better than both men, he can beat both of them at the same time?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
not against shang-chi (well that matter in the fight, stamina and durbaility never came into play). He superhuman accross the boards. DD hard to say, wolveirne does have physical advantages against him, but the ones that would have matter in there fight was speed reflexes. Both of which DD no slouch espically with his radar senses. Logan more or less kept blocking his attack until he could preform a choke holds.