Originally posted by The Nuul
Oh and this is comics, who the fck cares about using real life physics for comics.
In an everyday general sense, agreed.
But we're on a board about debating comic book characters. Using real world physics is no less stupid then bringing up a laundry list of various writer interpretations to decide which fictional characters win in a fight. 😛
It's only natural to play any and every angle to win such a debate.
Originally posted by Omega Vision👆
There are times when real world science is useful. Often in the assessment of feats. For instance it is helpful to know the muzzle velocity of a bullet when you analyze a showing where a character outruns a bullet or something to that effect.But the way H1a8 uses "science" is almost always wrong.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I am not gunna bother, you think what you want, wont matter what I say.The fact you still believe spiderman is much faster then wolverine, capt, IF, shang-chi, elektra ect. says it all.
PS, simply becuase I could not help myself and want to clarify it before I got a bunch of morons trying to uses this in a versus debate.
numerous times is laughable, he was effected onces by pressure points and the guy landed several killing ones many of which did nothing, but after awhile the poison over took him (yea he was poison prior to the fight). It was the reason given for why they even worked in the first place. Asside from that, the most they have done is annoy him (Fact). As for the Thunder clap, the sonic ability of it has only worked once and he still recovered fast enough to dodge hulks attack. Asside from that it has done nothing to him and has been of not no hindrances (Fact).
You're going to think what you're going to think yourself, the fact that you think they are all equally fast says it all. If you think characters like Batman who are human, don't have the same caliber of feats or nearly as often and is not as statistically fast is equally as fast, you need to prove it. You haven't on this forum or on mine, all you did was get mad and log off as usual.
More strength, the faster a muscle moves. Jumping speed is based off of strength also, which is primarily how he travels. If he can launch a heaveier object faster, he can also launch his own body faster.
All you have to do is prove what you said and it would be an all go. But I made this thread and there was none, simply you saying, "nuh uh". You take these boards too seriously, and I have better things to do than to argue with someone who thinks Wolverine wins against just about everything. I have a business to maintain now so I only come on for a short period of time a day, since you are on this thing nonstop you will be sniffing out the posts and looking for a counter. I wouldn't have said the last part if it weren't for your pm, which was an insult.
Originally posted by The NuulBecause the authors and writers use them as well. Real life is a large part in comics, and apart from the very obvious things that aren't real life related those things still apply. If the Human Torch's flames work in space despite them needing oxygen would be an issue because his powers are based on real life fire. Firelord is different because his flames aren't actual fire.
Oh and this is comics, who the fck cares about using real life physics for comics.
Continuity A is continuity A. I proved this in the Flash thread.
Funny coming form the guy that started all of this. You the one that turned this into some attack. I stated spiderman has trouble with skilled opponents and you turned it into some huge deal. I even explained it saying that spiderman still wins, but that very highly skilled individual give him fights. You turned that into some attack against spiderman, then you started attacking wolverine as if to some how get back at me. Stop projecting, your clearly the one who has the problem here not me.
I already proved it. Or did you forget the last time you asked for evidences I brought it forth and you kept going, ok I will get to this later. You said that 5 times, it been like 7 months since then, so dont give me that shit. I not gunna re provide evidences that I already gave you. You go find the thread and respond. Please don't even try to pretend you don't know what I am talking about becuase you dam well know. I wont be coming back here to take this thread further off topic, respond to my post that you said you would months ago or don't bother whining about evidences you have all ready been provided but never responded dispite stating several times you would.
also there was zero reason to get insulting. But do as you wish.
yes I think wolveirne wins just about everything, right thats why I have gone on record several times as saying Spiderman wins 6/10 against wolverine depending upon scenerio. But yea think what you wish about how I believe wolverine beats everyone.
as for my pm, it was a pm for a reason, I wasent gunna call you out in front of everyone, but what you stated was utter bullshit about pressure points and thunder claps and I asked you to prove it. The fact you dident and resorted to this, says all I needed to know.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If the Human Torch's flames work in space despite them needing oxygen would be an issue because his powers are based on real life fire. Firelord is different because his flames aren't actual fire.
Not the biggest Fantastic Four guy, but doesn't Johnny's flames work underwater?
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganMan please, I didn't insult you. I was talking to the thread in general and you quoted me and we debated and then you went in and sent me a message saying I was full of shit (keep in mind I haven't talked to you directly in months) and say things like "a bunch of morons". There was no "proof" of anything else.
Funny coming form the guy that started all of this. You the one that turned this into some attack. I stated spiderman has trouble with skilled opponents and you turned it into some huge deal. I even explained it saying that spiderman still wins, but that very highly skilled individual give him fights. You turned that into some attack against spiderman, then you started attacking wolverine as if to some how get back at me. Stop projecting, your clearly the one who has the problem here not me.I already proved it. Or did you forget the last time you asked for evidences I brought it forth and you kept going, ok I will get to this later. You said that 5 times, it been like 7 months since then, so dont give me that shit. I not gunna re provide evidences that I already gave you. You go find the thread and respond. Please don't even try to pretend you don't know what I am talking about becuase you dam well know. I wont be coming back here to take this thread further off topic, respond to my post that you said you would months ago or don't bother whining about evidences you have all ready been provided but never responded dispite stating several times you would.
also there was zero reason to get insulting. But do as you wish.
yes I think wolveirne wins just about everything, right thats why I have gone on record several times as saying Spiderman wins 6/10 against wolverine depending upon scenerio. But yea think what you wish about how I believe wolverine beats everyone.
as for my pm, it was a pm for a reason, I wasent gunna call you out in front of everyone, but what you stated was utter bullshit about pressure points and thunder claps and I asked you to prove it. The fact you dident and resorted to this, says all I needed to know.
You are right though we will have to agree to disagree on it. Now do I think that Spider-Man moves so fast that nothing can touch him? No.
Do I think he moves so fast that he will never be seen? No.
Even a human can get lucky and hit him, I just think (and know) when he is serious or fighting larger threats he performs much better and hardly gets hit. He has the precog and his history places him with great feats, and even Ultimate Spider-Man is protrayed faster (despite being weaker and the MA's being stronger).
Long story short I think if he is fighting a human like he would say, the Hulk, they would be overwhelmed, unless they have a power (say Cyclops).
I'm not saying he is some blur that can't be hit, like I think Wolverine isn't some guy that can't be hurt, both are ridiculous to me. IMO.
I do think Spider-Man squashes pretty much any street, but higher level characters he doesn't have as many he will beat directly on the forum. Not Ock, not Red, not Carnage, not Venom, not Gorgon etc. I am not one for being biased and I don't care one way or the other if he loses or not. There is no emotional attachment to me there.
Originally posted by cdtmWithout the special suit? Last I checked I don't remember him just naturally doing it without oxygen and not needing some device, but then again there have been upgrades.
Not the biggest Fantastic Four guy, but doesn't Johnny's flames work underwater?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
been shown to you numerous times, you simply right it off as pis every time. Hell in your very post you already try and right off capt feat. it pointless debating with you, you refuses to acknowledge anything dispite the fact it shown on pannel.
You act as if PIS don't exist in comics. You believe anything shown on panel is not PIS. If that's the case then PIS can never exist. The reason the feat is invalid is because of one of these reasons
1. Red Skull first three shots missed and Cap blocked the latter three bullets. This is because Red Skull was able to squeeze off two more bullets. The mechanics of the revolver doesn't allow another bullet to go off until the previous bullets travels at least several hundred feet.
2. The writer didn't intend for Cap to travel faster than a bullet. He simply just wanted to show Cap react fast enough to protect the person. An example of this is when another writer had flash do a feat that was actually 13trillion times the speed of light yet the writer only intended flash to be moving slightly under the speed of light. Writer's sometimes do take in things literally or scientifically. They don't always focus on the details and sometimes accidentally portray things wrong.
3. It is PIS (if the first two reasons aren't true). It is more PIS for Cap to run faster than a bullet than it is for Spidey to beat Firelord. When Red Skull fired the first bullet time went by and he fired two more rounds. Then Cap moved! That means the first bullet was at most a foot away (possibly inches or less) from its target before Cap even ran. If this is the case then Cap ran at more than mach 30. This is beyond orbital velocity. Thus it is clearly PIS and can't be used due to forum rules. Otherwise Spidey's feat on Firelord isn't PIS, nor is anything else.
Lastly, my post also had mentioned feats that Spidey did that can't be matched by any of the other characters mentioned. But u chose to ignore them. In one instance, Spidey got out of the way of a bullet ONLY after it was inches from him.
How could any weakness be more overplayed than Kryptonite? lol
Kryptonite has become so much engrained into American Pop Culture that it is part of the popular vernacular and often used as a synonym for a glaring weakness. I have heard people my age, including my girlfriend use the term as something or someone being thier kryptonite (as in weakness). Even non-comic fans know what it means. There is even a song called Kryptonite.