Most overplayed weakness?

Originally posted by King Castle
b/c she has to say everything backwards seems to the average person that is quite the chore

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Zat doesn't *have* to say things backwards but it does help her conceptualize the spell. It's a mental trick, nothing more.

^ So she says stuff backwards to cast spells.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So she says stuff backwards to cast spells.

The point is, it's optional. It makes it easier to cast spells but it is possible to cut out that step for various reasons.

Zatanna casts her spells by speaking backwards so often that her not doing it in a forum battle is about as likely as Thor dropping Mjolnir and relying on his innate powers to count energy projection or something similar.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But in comics its a well known fact that a person can speak a paragraph in the time it takes to fall five or six feet.

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Where's h1n8?

I remember he tried to argue that a Thor speed feat wasn't valid because Thor spoke a sentence or two while performing it.

Downright asinine.

Originally posted by Q99
The point is, it's optional. It makes it easier to cast spells but it is possible to cut out that step for various reasons.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But in comics its a well known fact that a person can speak a paragraph in the time it takes to fall five or six feet.

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Sometimes comics accidentally go against common sense. If that is the case (not necessarily the scan you showed does this) then those instances can't be used to prove a Pro about a feat.

Anyone knows that there is two types of magic casting.

1. magic due to chanting first

2. magic without chanting.

Clearly, in comics characters wait for the other to finish chanting before making an action. This is for the sake of the story and not because the chanter is actually chanting at instant speed.

the second one would be hand gestures

Use Magic Device.

^magic without chanting covers all of that.
^magic with chanting covers all of that too.

Comics always go against common sense, if it didn't i would stop reading it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually, that is rare (so stop pretending it's a well know comic fact when it isn't). Things of this nature can and should be taken as the dialogue actually first occurring before the action and finishing during the action.

Sometimes comics accidentally go against common sense. If that is the case (not necessarily the scan you showed does this) then those instances can't be used to prove a Pro about a feat.

Anyone knows that there is two types of magic casting.

1. magic due to chanting first

2. magic without chanting.

Clearly, in comics characters wait for the other to finish chanting before making an action. This is for the sake of the story and not because the chanter is actually chanting at instant speed.

Originally posted by Q99
Zat doesn't *have* to say things backwards but it does help her conceptualize the spell. It's a mental trick, nothing more.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's not rare at all. You'd know how common it was if you actually read comics.

Originally posted by amnesia
Comics always go against common sense, if it didn't i would stop reading it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I've read many comics and I know what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Sorta reminds me of the Dresden Files where magic doesn't actually require speech but is much less likely to backfire if you focus it with verbalization (preferably from a language you don't use in everyday speech, like Latin or Sanskrit).

Yea, good example.

Lack of speed.... and how faster characters dominate them.... Which is hardly how comic book characters are portrayed.

The only exception are characters that are only speed based <ex. Flash , Quicksilver etc> were their primary power is speed.

Speed plays minor role in comic book victories for all other characters.

The inability of a comic character to kill Wolverine. Because somehow, not killing Wolverine = auto-lose.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The inability of a comic character to kill Wolverine. Because somehow, not killing Wolverine = auto-lose.

biscuits

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because somehow, not killing Wolverine = auto-lose.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The inability of a comic character to kill Wolverine. Because somehow, not killing Wolverine = auto-lose.

Yes! People remember you don't have to kill non-regenerators to win, it just seems to slip their minds on people with regen in some cases.

This applies to other regenerators too, not just Logan.