Rage.Of.Olympus
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Lol.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I’m not saying that it is accepted everywhere, I was mostly talking about here on KMC. Other than Surfer vs Supes there's relatively little the people from different boards agree on, that's why we're on different boards. You guys don’t seem to get that I wasn’t trying to convince tLoM that Thor was amped, I was pointing out that most people on KMC consider there to be an amp involved because he brought up the arc as if it ended the argument so I was letting him know that he’ll probably need to go deeper if he’s actually wanting to "win". And TBH I don’t have a problem with people saying that Thor wasn’t amped and that the arc was a big jobberfest, I’ve always said that it was an amp or massive PIS. I mean I don’t think I’ve said that specifically in this particular thread, but that’s only because it’s the same stance I’ve had for years and I thought most people knew that.
I wouldn’t know the stance of the majority of KMC is. Frankly though, I don’t really care. The argument of that side is nigh baseless. And: Numbers =/= Validity
Is there a possibility that Thor was amped? Why not. Is it likely? Does it make much sense? That’s a resounding no. As ODG pointed out, the story was what would happen if a God had gone mad and went on a rampage. It wouldn’t even make much sense taking that into account.
Hahaha. Just admit your butt hurt over Norrin’s performance and leave it at that. You’re a Surfer fan primarily. Thor kicked his ass more than once. You’re upset. Anyone who likes a high end character would probably understand. Taking this amp nonsense argument to try and disqualify the showings is just.....stupid for a lack of a better word.
If someone uses Blood and Thunder to prove Thor stomps Norrin, simply point out it was a closer to an outlier and Thor wouldn’t defeat Norrin so easily –or at all in your opinion I’m guessing- normally.
Originally posted by darthgoober
My stance doesn’t depend on any one aspect, there are multiple factors that lead me to believe he was amped.
Make a list. Please. And these multiple “factors” better be more concrete than the shit you’ve been posting so far.
Originally posted by darthgoober
An amp makes perfect sense because of the way insane people are portrayed in media. Let’s not forget that Michael Myers was just a guy who escaped from an institution in the first two movies. And as I’ve pointed out a couple of times now, just look at “Insane” Lightray.
Hahaha.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well it means that Thor was more powerful in Blood and Thunder than he is in Warrior’s Madness(not trying to argue the point here, just answering your hypothetical). That’s a pretty clear indication of an amp to most.
It means that to Warlock, Thor seemed more powerful. That doesn’t mean he actually is. How are you still not getting this?
In the first fight Warlock fought a brick. In the second fight, Warlock fought a God.
Either way, Warlock’s memory isn’t exactly the most reliable as shown even in the fight in question. No point into delving into over analysation with you after the topic. Starlin wasn’t an overly vague man as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Not really.
Shame.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn’t matter to me that Thor has better feats than Blood and Thunder because so does EVERYONE else involved in the arc. And I’m not the one who’s hung up on the arc, it’s you Thor fans that can’t seem to say anything other than “Blood and Thunder” in a thread where he’s not holding back. Never mind the fact that there have been more than a couple of times that Thor stated he wasn’t holding back anymore without performing anywhere near as impressively as he did in that arc.
What is your main problem with this arc? Thor’s performance overall, or Thor’s performance against Surfer? If you can accept that Thor has feats beyond what he did in Blood and Thunder, then why can’t you accept what he did in….Blood and Thunder? Without their being an amp.
Your primary gripe here seems to stem solely from you being butt hurt.
The fact that you –and butt hurt fans- don’t like Blood and Thunder doesn’t disqualify its usage. That arc was Thor taking on large number of powerful opponents. By its nature, it would spark a lot of mentions in vs. debates. Especially one’s concerning Thor when he goes all out. Because guess what? Blood and Thunder was basically Thor going all out.
What scenes come to your mind pray tell?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Stop trying to act like I’m trying to downplay Thor. No one thinks that any high end feat he performs is done with an amp, we’re talking about one specific arc. I know you’d like it to seem like I am of course, but you overstating what I consider to be an amp doesn’t support your stance because it’s not just about feats to me, it’s about his overall performance against his opponents, Warlock and Bill’s statements, and the fact that everyone though it was true Warrior Madness after seeing Thor in action until after Thor had been subdued.
You previously said this:
Originally posted by darthgoober
Simple, Thor was easily taking out people far easier than he should be capable of
I.e. Thor did something you don’t think he should be capable off. Hence it’s either PIS or he had a massive amp. Your primary goal might not be downplaying Thor’s power, but it could very well be interpreted as such. Just saying.
Thor did it. He beat Surfer easily. You might not like it, but it happened. Twice. Under two different writers. Get over it.
Exactly my point. This one specific arc. It seems to be the only thing you have a problem with. Why? Why this arc in particular? Why can you accept his other impressive feats while their has to be a mythical amp present to explain -or better yet invalidate- his performance in this arc?
Spoiler:
Your just butt hurt because slapping Surfer around was the impressive feat in this instance.
Thor doing all of what I mentioned in my previous post is at the very least as impressive -or as ridiculous in your eyes I guess- as anything he did during Blood and Thunder. Yet, somehow, you can accept those, but you can't accept his performance in this story.
Everyone? Pretty sure it was only Bill and Sif. The two Asgardian based beings. A God doesn’t go mad often. They immediately jumped to the conclusion it was Warrior Madness. I don’t see how it would change anything even if it was Warrior Madness.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No I gave more than just one reason.Your right it can be interpreted various ways, I've pointed that out repeatedly. And one of those ways it can be interpreted, is that Thor was being amped. You’re the one saying that I’m outright, unquestionably wrong in my interpretation, I’m just saying that I disagree with yours.
Could it? Sure. Just like it could be interpreted that Thor’s rage was literally giving him an amp in strength in the Rage of Thor one shot. It just wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense in my opinion. Warrior Madness up until #502 was simply a character becoming blood lusted –this 10x thing was a foreign idea introduced by Loeb- it didn’t give you some dynamic factor that let you become stronger and stronger depending on the threat you faced.
You know, you can only hide behind "my interpretation", "in my opinion", "I think" etc. statements for so long. Just saying.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I go back and forth…The rules decide it. It’s a subjective subject(so is pretty much everything that’s actually worth debating) so whether or not you can convince someone else that a claim of PIS is valid is on you, but it’s presence in the rules means that it can be thrown out there anytime logic and/or common sense indicate it’s possible presence.
If Surfer ever manages to defeat Thor –not going to happen - I’ll be sure to remember this.