John Preston versus John McClane...

Originally posted by Omega Spawn
John Preston stomps anyone who RJ is a fanboy of

Yeah? So he defeats Wesley Gibson, Fox (Wanted), a Jedi Master, Voldemort? Really?

🙄 Get over your boner for me and take a reality pill, babe.

Originally posted by Quincy
John Preston just tools all over him.

Mhm, screen feats be damned eh? This:

Preston uses gun kata. Gun kata relies on the following:

1. Being able to memorize the locations of the shooters.

2. Predicting the trajectory of their incoming fire to do two things: Avoid being hit, and returning fire.

3. The opponents standing in one spot for an entire gun battle.

Now.....McClane uses cover and is always on the move. This prevents Preston from memorizing his location.

No memory of McClane's location= No way of being able to predict the trajectory of McClanes incoming fire.

See that? See how gun kata is useless in a modern day gun fight?

Deal with it. Preston loses here. UNLESS you can quote a time when Preston defeated someone who did not just stand in one spot like an idiot, firing away, waiting to be shot, not even trying to reach cover.

Go ahead, make some shit up, I'll wait.

John Preston is a Wanted Jedi Master who owns Voldemort

his gun kata is the force therefore he pwns all

Ah, I see, you can't quote a time when Preston defeated someone who did not just stand in one spot like an idiot, firing away, waiting to be shot, not even trying to reach cover, so you're trolling. I gotcha. haermm

It's OK, I understand, troll away.

Your pushing your luck with this thread.

Not really, what haven't I covered?

Tell me, you think Prestons gun kata is gonna work on McClane?

Reality check: McClane's "avoiding death" only works inside of his world because, in reality, all of that automatic gunfire would have killed him when he was hiding under the desks in several scenes. And, when someone's spraying a fully automatic gun at you, you don't just jump out and avoid all of the gunfire.

Realistically, John McClane would have been dead the first gunfight he had, in the Nakatomi building.

So, none of his gunfire avoidance works in a match-up due to the stupidity of 80s action flicks having automatic gunfire miss someone from mere feet away.

It all comes down to who's faster and who is the better shot, by the ridiculously stupid and asinine rules that RJ made up for the thread. Since Preston is a better shot, even when he's not looking, and he's absurdly faster than McClane, the winner is obvious.

This thread should be closed for spite/trolling...however, that's entirely up to Imp.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Reality check: McClane's "avoiding death" only works inside of his world because, in reality, all of that automatic gunfire would have killed him when he was hiding under the desks in several scenes. And, when someone's spraying a fully automatic gun at you, you don't just jump out and avoid all of the gunfire.

Realistically, John McClane would have been dead the first gunfight he had, in the Nakatomi building.

So, none of his gunfire avoidance works in a match-up due to the stupidity of 80s action flicks having automatic gunfire miss someone from mere feet away.

It all comes down to who's faster and who is the better shot, by the ridiculously stupid and asinine rules that RJ made up for the thread. Since Preston is a better shot, even when he's not looking, and he's absurdly faster than McClane, the winner is obvious.

This thread should be closed for spite/trolling...however, that's entirely up to Imp.

Did you not read the OP? The fight takes place in Nakatomi, what happened there (McClane hiding behind desks to avoid gunfire) applies here. McClane avoided automatic throughout most of the movie, from multiple shooters. And yeah, you say "And, when someone's spraying a fully automatic gun at you, you don't just jump out and avoid all of the gunfire", I say "And, you don't just dance around and avoid gunfire either." McClanes feats were over the top, but no moreso than Prestons.

What's wrong with the rules of this thread? You want me to have McClane stand in one spot and fie away like Prestons opponents in Equilibrium did?

No, Mac is a better shot. Remember in DH3 when he shot the power line down with a snub nose revolver from 50ish feet away? Preston is a better shot when his opponents are standing still, I'll give him that.

Preston is indeed faster on the draw, but this isn't a duel at ten paces, dude.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Did you not read the OP? The fight takes place in Nakatomi, what happened there (McClane hiding behind desks to avoid gunfire) applies here. McClane avoided automatic throughout most of the movie, from multiple shooters. And yeah, you say "And, when someone's spraying a fully automatic gun at you, you don't just jump out and avoid all of the gunfire", I say "And, you don't just dance around and avoid gunfire either." McClanes feats were over the top, but no moreso than Prestons.

What's wrong with the rules of this thread? You want me to have McClane stand in one spot and fie away like Prestons opponents in Equilibrium did?

No, Mac is a better shot. Remember in DH3 when he shot the power line down with a snub nose revolver from 50ish feet away? Preston is a better shot when his opponents are standing still, I'll give him that.

Preston is indeed faster on the draw, but this isn't a duel at ten paces, dude.

You didn't read what I posted else you would understand that "The fight takes place in Nakatomi, what happened there (McClane hiding behind desks to avoid gunfire) applies here..." wouldn't apply based on the abitrary asinine rules you imposed on Preston would also apply to McClane in a similar fashion.

Re-read what I posted.

Until you say, "yes, you're right, dadudemon", everything you post will be ignored.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't read what I posted else you would understand that "The fight takes place in Nakatomi, what happened there (McClane hiding behind desks to avoid gunfire) applies here..." wouldn't apply based on the abitrary asinine rules you imposed on Preston would also apply to McClane in a similar fashion.

Re-read what I posted.

Until you say, "yes, you're right, dadudemon", everything you post will be ignored.

So hiding behind a desk to avoid being hit by gunfire is that unbelievable? haermm Are you serious? It's cover, dude. Behind a desk, around a corner, behind a pillar, whatever, all cover. McClane regularly takes cover in his gunfights and is always on the move. In this fight it is as same as the movie.

Elevator arrives with Preston inside.

McClane takes off at a sprint away from the elevator, spraying the hallway outside the elevator.

Preston steps out. He must hunt down McClane and kill him.

Now...You saying that Preston is incapable of doing this? Seems like you are wanting me to have McClane just stand there, like you want the fight to be on a floor that has absolutely zero cover.

If you DO think Preston can hunt McClane down and kill him, you need to explain how he does so. How does he hunt down McClane, who will undoubtedly take cover and not stand in one spot and fire back?

They were both on earth. What different worlds are we talking about.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
They were both on earth. What different worlds are we talking about.

The ones RJ makes up in his head when he needs to BS an argument.

ie John Preston can only avoid bullets in his world.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
They were both on earth. What different worlds are we talking about.

Lemmee ask you this: The men that Preston fought (In Equilibrium), all of them, the sense offenders, the clerics, all of them, they seemed to generally stand in one spot and fire back at him, right?

Preston would absolutely destroy McClane.

Originally posted by Impediment
Preston would absolutely destroy McClane.

👆 best post up in here

Originally posted by Impediment
Preston would absolutely destroy McClane.

Only if McClane stands stock still 😉 You know, like everyone else Preston fought ✅ But McClane aint gonna stand still, isn't that right?

Challenge time: Name me one time, one single scene in "Equilibrium", where Preston defeated someone of McClane's caliber while they were behind cover, blasting away UNPREDICTABLY with a machine gun.

Tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Only if McClane stands stock still 😉 You know, like everyone else Preston fought ✅ But McClane aint gonna stand still, isn't that right?

Challenge time: Name me one time, one single scene in "Equilibrium", where Preston defeated someone of McClane's caliber while they were behind cover, blasting away UNPREDICTABLY with a machine gun.

Tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock.....

Weren't you the one arguing that it took Preston two aims/shots to kill the Police Caption, because he was on the move? Yea, you did.

If McClane is 'under cover and blasting away unpredictably', his position would be known and therefore calculable under Gunkata; if Preston can avoid 20+ machine-guns, he certainly can avoid one.

Ding, your turkey's done.

"McClane's caliber"? Are you kidding?

Every person in Equilibrium is light years ahead of McClane's h2h/weapon skills.

Originally posted by Impediment
"McClane's caliber"? Are you kidding?

Every person in Equilibrium is light years ahead of McClane's h2h/weapon skills.

Everyone is Equilibrium was cannon fodder. Lemmee try this a different way. You were a soldier, right? See any combat?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Everyone is Equilibrium was cannon fodder. Lemmee try this a different way. You were a soldier, right? See any combat?

I'd recommend you stop there with that question. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about in terms of things in the military especially military in real life.

If you're going to argue your point at least do it right.

And I say this without actually trying to debate or start an argument with you.

Originally posted by Kaibs
I'd recommend you stop there with that question. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about in terms of things in the military especially military in real life.

If you're going to argue your point at least do it right.

I'll take it under advisement 😉

It's a rhetorical question, I know for a fact that he has seen action.