John Preston versus John McClane...

Originally posted by Quincy
This is a fight between two dudes right? In the most simple sense?

It's a fight between two guys, and one guy is a much better fighter. (that being preston.)

So how is this a 3 page argument already?

Tell me, the guys Preston fought in Equilibrium, how competent did they seem to you? Mainly the 20 guards in the final shootout. Did you see when they all just stood there/ran TOWARDS Preston as he mowed them down?

See, if you had actually read my posts you would know this.

I read your posts man. I get it. Your downplaying how badass Preston is by discrediting how much ass he kicked.

What high class caliber of criminal did mcclane beat up exactly?

John Preston is better at fighting man it's obvious.

since RJ says all thoso guys john preston killed were standing still lets put mcclane in that same situation i doubt he makes it out alive

Originally posted by Quincy
I read your posts man. I get it. Your downplaying how badass Preston is by discrediting how much ass he kicked.

What high class caliber of criminal did mcclane beat up exactly?

John Preston is better at fighting man it's obvious.

No, I am not downplaying anything. I am merely saying the following:

Gun kata relies on the cleric being able to memorize the location/s of his opponents, then, using this memorization of their locations, predict the trajectory of their incoming fire. The cleric then moves his body to avoid the return fire and fires back. BUT, this is all based on the memorized locations of the opponent/s.

Now, someone like McClane, who is evasive and uses cover (no, not one of Prestons opponents even attempted to attain cover, they all just stood there, in the open, like noobs), and is unpredictable, well, he throws a monkey wrench into the works when Preston uses gun kata.

See? Step one (memorization) and step two (prediction) are unhinged, rendering gun kata useless.

Look, I understand someone disagreeing with me, I really do, but when someone dismisses the flawless logic I just stated as bullshit, yeah, I got a problem with that.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
since RJ says all thoso guys john preston killed were standing still lets put mcclane in that same situation i doubt he makes it out alive

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
McClane would use C4 to blow them sky high, or ram an SUV up their ass. Remember the jet he blew up in DH2? Far more than twenty men, and they were all special forces. 😄

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
LMAO i said same situation preston didnt have any c4 or a suv he had handguns

Yeah, but McClane DID have C4 😉

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, but McClane DID have C4 😉

no c4

no suv

could he survive being in preston's shoes in any of his fight scenes...NOPE

I can't believe you still really think McClane would beat Preston. I love McClane as much as anyone, and I'd argue usually for him against most, but he's out classed severely man. McClane has his luck. That's the only thing he has going into the fight that's above Preston's abilities. And it so happens McClane's luck really only applies to WTF situations against villains. Which Preston is not.

Originally posted by Kaibs
I can't believe you still really think McClane would beat Preston. I love McClane as much as anyone, and I'd argue usually for him against most, but he's out classed severely man. McClane has his luck. That's the only thing he has going into the fight that's above Preston's abilities. And it so happens McClane's luck really only applies to WTF situations against villains. Which Preston is not.

See what I did there? 😉 I'll take the luck.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
no c4

no c4

no suv

could he survive being in preston's shoes in any of his fight scenes...NOPE

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Prestons feats only apply to wtf idiots who stand around in one spot begging to be shot.

See what I did there? 😉 I'll take the luck.

McClane had C4, dude, watch the movie again. He also had a zippo, and we all know what he can do with a zippo. BOOM.

You did nothing. That's a horrible argument considering every person he shot 1) did not just stand there like you like to for some reason think, and 2) those "WTF idiots" are far more skilled than terrorists and Russians who can't shoot for shit. The military guys in 2 debatable maybe. But they didn't show much skill with a gun.

Originally posted by Kaibs
You did nothing. That's a horrible argument considering every person he shot 1) did not just stand there like you like to for some reason think, and 2) those "WTF idiots" are far more skilled than terrorists and Russians who can't shoot for shit. The military guys in 2 debatable maybe. But they didn't show much skill with a gun.

Those wtf idiots are exactly that, standing in the open and running at Preston. wtf idiots, big time.

Stop talking. Just stop.

no RJ i mean take equilibrium fight scenes replace preston with mcclane and whatever weapon preston used in the fights now belong to mcclane
hes in preston's shoes does he survive any of equilibriums fight scenes

No, probably not, if he fights the way Preston did that is. Thing is, McClane would do just as much killing, but in different, more creative ways.

Stupid question, really, and it has nothing to do with this fight.

I'll have to rewatch Equilbrium, but your argument is beyond idiotic, and you know it. You have no logic at all.

So you stop, just stop. You fail. Horribly. Worse than G.W. at pronouncing big words on TV.

Originally posted by Kaibs
I'll have to rewatch Equilbrium, but your argument is beyond idiotic, and you know it. You have no logic at all.

So you stop, just stop. You fail. Horribly. Worse than G.W. at pronouncing big words on TV.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, probably not, if he fights the way Preston did that is. Thing is, McClane would do just as much killing, but in different, more creative ways.

Stupid question, really, and it has nothing to do with this fight.

and how could he be more creative with the same weaponry as preston

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
NO it has plenty to do with this fight you downplay preston because of gun kata but mcclane cant do anything remotely close to what preston did even if those guys stood still

and how could he be more creative with the same weaponry as preston

Why does it matter how McClane would do? It's an irrelevant question. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Putting Preston in nakatomi against Hans would be just as stupid.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why does it matter how McClane would do? It's an irrelevant question. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Putting Preston in nakatomi against Hans would be just as stupid.

let me try to make you understand....

ok you say that preston only was that good because the guy were standing still OK

what im trying to point out is that mcclane couldnt handle that many guys with assault rifles and for damn sure not when theyre circled around him with they're barrels to his head even if theyre standing still

so stop downplaying gun kata

Originally posted by Quincy
This is a fight between two dudes right? In the most simple sense?

It's a fight between two guys, and one guy is a much better fighter. (that being preston.)

So how is this a 3 page argument already?

QFT.