Originally posted by King Kandy
It makes for stupid story arcs, because someone that strong can only be beaten through plot devices.
Not really. I mean if they write it like the Infinity Gauntlet/War/Crusade crapola where Earth heroes/villains are making fools of Cosmic Gods. Yes, you are right.
But if they make it a "War of the 7 Heavens" type deal, with Gods battling it out. Then it's pure win.
based on the ohotmu
Chthon...Strength 7, Durability 7, Energy Projection 7.
Set........Strength 7, Durability 5, Energy Projection 7.
Zom......Strength 7, Durability 7, Energy Projection 7.
Shuma...Strength 7, Durability 7, Energy Projection 7.
http://marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU😛ower_Grids
they are all equal in everything except set has some poor durability....
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
based on the ohotmu
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Chthon...Strength 7, Durability 7, Energy Projection 7.Set........Strength 7, Durability 5, Energy Projection 7.
Zom......Strength 7, Durability 7, Energy Projection 7.
Shuma...Strength 7, Durability 7, Energy Projection 7.
http://marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU😛ower_Gridsthey are all equal in everything except set has some poor durability.... [/B]
Going by those power grid ratings Hulk is more powerful than any of them 🙄
@ Uriel005
I never understood why Chthon is so highly feared. He's never dared go mano y mano with Atum. But Set has. And he's survived. He's stalemated Atum for MILLIONS of years before. He's fought him while "holding down" Gaea.
What has Chthon done?
But Shuma is very powerful, more powerful than Zom? I'm not too sure. Eternity + Dormammu + others barely imprisoned him. The Living Tribunal himself couldn't really put him down. He survives as a sliver of his former self.
Shuma has taken multiple realities with their own protectors.
Also I'm assuming that when we're using beings on this level we're going to use high end feats as the judge because at standard levels they kinda cap out at around the same level. So anyways if Zom were to fight Chthon in his personal dimension he loses and loses bad even with Zom fighting peak. However if Shuma were to maintain peak levels of his home dimension he'd still stomp Chthon. Also Zom is not too smart and Chthon and Set probably smart enough win through less direct means.
Also Chthon has a spell designed to stop atum but it can only be cast by a non magical. He's not a straight up fighter. It's not in his nature but when you deal with gods I include the powers they can bestow on mortals. it's like because Juggy is absurd you must assume that cytorrak is more invulnerable and baddass than him.
The thing about that is :
Strange has fought and defeated Shuma. He's never defeated Zom or Set.
He and the Ancient One were powerless before Umar and they were forced to release Zom. Strange and Ancient one were powerless against him and were forced to bring the Tribunal himself into it.
Strange has repulsed Chthon with a bolt of light or whatever, when he was in Chthon's dimension. No such attack would work vs Set. Thor and Strange tried to bring the fight to Set and Thor was forced to flee and seek help. Strange and crew were minutes away from sure death before Thor came back with reinforcements.
Originally posted by zopzopchthons power is mostly implied, after the demogorge incident he cant fully manifest on earth because they said no interdimensional rift is large enough to transfer all of his energy so he relies on possesing people with tiny fractions of power even with gaea and strange having spells blocking most of that power from earth and still he can warp the earth from his dimension and destroy asgard
@ Uriel005I never understood why Chthon is so highly feared. He's never dared go mano y mano with Atum. But Set has. And he's survived. He's stalemated Atum for MILLIONS of years before. He's fought him while "holding down" Gaea.
What has Chthon done?
But Shuma is very powerful, more powerful than Zom? I'm not too sure. Eternity + Dormammu + others barely imprisoned him. The Living Tribunal himself couldn't really put him down. He survives as a sliver of his former self.
eternity also said is chthon was a threat to him
heres a page from iron man annual
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1252375-drstrangesorcerersupre90_03.jpg
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
chthons power is mostly implied, after the demogorge incident he cant fully manifest on earth because they said no interdimensional rift is large enough to transfer all of his energy so he relies on possesing people with tiny fractions of power even with gaea and strange having spells blocking most of that power from earth and still he can warp the earth from his dimension and destroy asgard
I see but implied means nothing really. He was owned by Hank Pym. That was the height of stupidity but it happened.
During the Atlantis Attacks storyline, it was OVER for Earth until Thor suckered Demogorge and saved the day. But Set STILL didn't die, he was dispersed but not dead. In the Marvel Tarot they made it clear, he was hurt BAD but still alive.
He's survived two encounters with the godeater, Chthon doesn't even make an attempt.
@SamZED
I always saw Trigon as DC's Mephisto. And I don't think Mephisto can hold a candle to these guys.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
people have said superman can beat trigon
Superman can spank the Presence so that barely counts.
Shuma is a tough beast. I recall a Fantastic Four arcs where Diablo and Doctor Strange teamed up to face Shuma and the sorcerer who summoned it and Diablo said "We drew straws and I was set against the magician".
Yeah Diablo, you were going to hang with Shuma Gorath solo.
ermmdance
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
how so? 7 is the highest
My bad I meant equally as powerful as them. How does Set have a lower durability than Hulk? It makes no sense.
And even the "7" rating is relative. How you rate Hulk's strength vs Zom? They both 7 no? But I'm betting Zom's strength is CONSIDERABLY greater than Hulk's.
Originally posted by zopzopthere was context behind that
I see but implied means nothing really. He was owned by Hank Pym. That was the height of stupidity but it happened.
100% plot device
