Marvel's Most Powerful Demon? Zom vs Shuma Gorath vs Chthon vs Set

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
there was context behind that
1. that was quicksilver being possesed by chthon
2. it greated limited chthons power because humans have to say spells for magic, so hank pym made a machine that damaged quicksilvers vocal cords so he couldnt speak thus chthon being powerless

100% plot device

eternity later thanks hank pym for saving the potential universe threat

Actually it still is a low showing. Why wouldn't Chthon, a mage, think of protecting himself from effects that would stop him from casting spells. Especially if it was something as simple as stopping/preventing/tampering his speech?

It's sad.

EDIT :

Wait I seem to remember Chthon being in a panic that they were gonna destroy his "source of power" or whatever Wundegore Mountain. If that's so, then Thor or some other world breaker type can pwn him by simply destroying Wundegore Mt.

Originally posted by zopzop
Actually it still is a low showing. Why wouldn't Chthon, a mage, think of protecting himself from effects that would stop him from casting spells. Especially if it was something as simple as stopping/preventing/tampering his speech?

It's sad.

Originally posted by zopzop

Wait I seem to remember Chthon being in a panic that they were gonna destroy his "source of power" or whatever Wundegore Mountain. If that's so, then Thor or some other world breaker type can pwn him by simply destroying Wundegore Mt.

thats just a little nexus of his power to earth from the dimension he is trapped in.
you seem to be ignoring the fact that chthon is trapped in his dimensions and those are only little avatars of him

did you read the comic? they writer clearly stated that he was just possesing quicksilver from his dimension

Yeah but LOTS of demons and other evil mystics are trapped in their dimensions and only send fractions of their power into 616.

That excuse doesn't save Chthon. He just seemed strangely..........dependent on that mountain. And that doesn't fill me with confidence.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah but LOTS of demons and other evil mystics are trapped in their dimensions and only send fractions of their power into 616.

name them,

even zom while possesing dr strange was pwned by hulk
heck, shuma gorath was defeated by doctor strange in his own realm

Originally posted by zopzop
My bad I meant equally as powerful as them. How does Set have a lower durability than Hulk? It makes no sense.

And even the "7" rating is relative. How you rate Hulk's strength vs Zom? They both 7 no? But I'm betting Zom's strength is CONSIDERABLY greater than Hulk's.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
[name them,

Dormammu, Shuma Gorath, Set, other's that don't come to mind now. Even Mephisto is bound by what he can do in 616 and he's freer than the rest.

even zom while possesing dr strange was pwned by hulk
heck, shuma gorath was defeated by doctor strange in his own realm

Strange had a sliver of Zom's power. That Zomling wasn't the full Zom by an stretch. There hasn't been a full Zom since LT blasted him into nothingness and he STILL reformed! Strange got through owning the Warbound that were invading his Sanctum then he was pummeling the Hulk like a ragdoll. It's only after Strange started fighting Zom's power that all was lost. It was shown on panel too. And I believe even one of the writers during an interview said that Strange was nowhere near channeling Zom's full power.

And getting owned in your OWN dimension isn't a good thing Colossus 🙂 Usually these demon types are "Omnipotent" in their own realms.

Originally posted by zopzop

Strange had a sliver of Zom's power. That Zomling wasn't the full Zom by an stretch.

Originally posted by zopzop
And getting owned in your OWN dimension isn't a good thing Colossus 🙂 Usually these demon types are "Omnipotent" in their own realms.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
hulk has beat up zom

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
people have said superman can beat trigon

Maybe recent ultra-weakened Trigon, not peak-Trigon.

Trigon's quite powerful, but not as much as this lot.

Atum is the most powerful Elder God than Set and then Chthon.

I would say it's a tie between Zom and Shuma Gorath they are both bada$$. Set would get slaughter he fought either Zom or Shuma Gorath point blank.

They might the same ratings that doesn't mean they are equal, Odin has seven across the board but does that mean he can challenge LT or Beyonder or a Celestial who has the same ratings. People use common sense not all 7 means the same power levels 😉.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Atum is the most powerful Elder God than Set and then Chthon.

I would say it's a tie between Zom and Shuma Gorath they are both bada$$. Set would get slaughter he fought either Zom or Shuma Gorath point blank.

Actually you can't say Atum is strongest. Chthon never fights him directly because he was born to destroy elder gods hence the title godeater but he has a spell designed to be cast by nonmagicals that stop demagorge. So if he can do that with a mortal do you really think stopping him is beyond his power. If anyone keeps up on the W40k universe outside of marvel comics I consider Chthon like Tzeentch, he manipulates events to his liking and doesn't always directly involve himself however he's no pushover in a fight and as Tzeentch's champions he is likely a better fighter than the more berserker like Zom. Also Zom is strong but is a bit of a bruiser with a natural intuition with magic. He relies on raw power but someone with a good amount of power and a lot of smarts can probably overcome him if they know he's coming.

As for Shuma he is a conqueror of multiple dimensions do you really think there is very much he hasn't encountered and defeated.

cant dormammu be up there with these guys?

doesnt it all depend on how many worshipers he has or something?

Originally posted by Uriel005
Actually you can't say Atum is strongest. Chthon never fights him directly because he was born to destroy elder gods hence the title godeater but he has a spell designed to be cast by nonmagicals that stop demagorge. So if he can do that with a mortal do you really think stopping him is beyond his power. If anyone keeps up on the W40k universe outside of marvel comics I consider Chthon like Tzeentch, he manipulates events to his liking and doesn't always directly involve himself however he's no pushover in a fight and as Tzeentch's champions he is likely a better fighter than the more berserker like Zom. Also Zom is strong but is a bit of a bruiser with a natural intuition with magic. He relies on raw power but someone with a good amount of power and a lot of smarts can probably overcome him if they know he's coming.

As for Shuma he is a conqueror of multiple dimensions do you really think there is very much he hasn't encountered and defeated.

Chthon was afraid of Atum and still is,point blank. Chthon has spell to beat Atum we have yet too see it, in all tense and purposes he could be full shit.

Originally posted by bbrem123
cant dormammu be up there with these guys?

doesnt it all depend on how many worshipers he has or something?

Dormammus is Odin level at best.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
same exact thing with quicksilver and chthon

im just saying, shuma gorath got owned by dr strange in his own realm.
that right there is what you call sad

Originally posted by the Darkone
Dormammus is Odin level at best.

😬 ...eeehh...at best hell no

I think he did well against Eternity at one point. Course, so did the Ancient One IIRC.

Dude's a joke for the embodiment of the Universe to be honest.