Darkseid & his Elite Vs Annihilation Wave

Originally posted by Stoic
No world could stand against the wave, and at the time Annihilus had Thanos on his side as well, and Thanos has great tech himself.

That's more an insult to the empires fought than a point to the Wave.

Their big weapon, after all, was a planet destroying bio-engineered organism. Not only does DC space have things that do that naturally (and more effectively), they've got natural space organisms that do far more (sun eaters), and Apokolips has bombs the size of suit cases that can destroy planets, as well as weapons that turn entire suns into giant, living cosmic lasers.

Add in their elite, their legion of parademons that can't actually be killed, their legion of foot soldiers, and the best tech in comics and it's a no brainer.

Annihilation Wave wins this.

Does Awave have tech comparable to Apokolips?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Darkseid can't die. Spectre wasn't enough to put him down.

Where did it say he can die, because I thought he was necessary to the universe.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Where did it say he can die, because I thought he was necessary to the universe.

eh, he'll come back next year.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He died in Final Crisis, so clearly he isn't that necessary.

Even that is iffy, since Morrison is playing him as the platonic 'evil'. As long as evil exists, Darkseid exists.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Does Awave have tech comparable to Apokolips?

This is not a science fair. Tech comparisons have little to do with it. Awave just needs to show that they have the firepower to hurt herald+ characters with their tech and by their showings, they easily can. All they need to do then is let their numbers do the job.

Heck, they can literally manufacture tons of herald+ level characters (the seekers) to easily take down Darskeid's Elites.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Does Awave have tech comparable to Apokolips?

No, it's not even close.

Nothing to be ashamed of, because the New Gods have some of the best tech and resources in comics, but the Annihilation Wave's big, secret weapon way below even standard Apokoliptan warfare tech from millenia ago.

Originally posted by Desaad
Even that is iffy, since Morrison is playing him as the platonic 'evil'. As long as evil exists, Darkseid exists.

Originally posted by Desaad
No, it's not even close.

Nothing to be ashamed of, because the New Gods have some of the best tech and resources in comics, but the Annihilation Wave's big, secret weapon way below even standard Apokoliptan warfare tech from millenia ago.

Context. Many of the Awave's herald levelers were comparable to Galactus' heralds themselves who themselves are planet-busters. The main weapon was powerful because it not only destroyed the planet but converted it to nutrients for use of the Awave. It was also due to its durability (being able to regenerate damage inflicted to it) as well as the fear it caused s'why it was considered the Wave's best weapon.

If darky side has prep he wins.If not then AW.

What's to stop Darkseid from creating an army of Brimstones? Besides CIS I mean.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This is not a science fair. Tech comparisons have little to do with it.

That seems naive. Technological superiority tends to be the deciding factor in most military conflict.

Awave just needs to show that they have the firepower to hurt herald+ characters with their tech and by their showings, they easily can. All they need to do then is let their numbers do the job.

When they're facing a foe who can generate solar-system destroying affects at a whim, numbers aren't going to do the job. It was Galactus destroying, what, 3 star systems that ultimately crippled the wave beyond hope?

Heck, they can literally manufacture tons of herald+ level characters (the seekers) to easily take down Darskeid's Elites.

Those were far from herald + level characters, with the exception of Ravenous, given that it took GROUPS of them to take on a single Herald level character. And we dont' know how they are manufactured, or what limitations of production Annihilus had.

Meanwhile, Darkseid could create as many Brimestones as their are stars in the universe (and more, really) without any real loss of resource (all he and Apokolips need to do is manufacture the Techno-Seed, the actual power is drawn from outside sources of heat such as stars, or nuclear reactors, or geothermically), or could activate his Trumpets of Doom and summon and control his pet Promethean Giant.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Context. Many of the Awave's herald levelers were comparable to Galactus' heralds themselves who themselves are planet-busters.

Can I get some evidence of that? Ravenous is the only one who performed anything approaching decently 1v1 against a Herald, and even he recently got his stuff pushed in against a Supergirl rip off character (Xenith or, as she is called now, Strontian).

The main weapon was powerful because it not only destroyed the planet but converted it to nutrients for use of the Awave.

That's literally something that Darkseid sends out at a whim. No 'secret weapon' to it, he's got plenty of planet destroyers at his disposal, and one of them sucks the bio energy from the planet to be used on Apokolips.

You see the difference in scale we're talking about? To one group, it's the end all be all, their ultimate trump. To the other, it's business as usual, normal operating procedure.

It was also due to its durability (being able to regenerate damage inflicted to it) as well as the fear it caused s'why it was considered the Wave's best weapon.

The fear it caused was because it was destroying whole planets. Which, again, is no big deal for the forces of Apokolips. The war between Apokolips and New Genesis (which, going by Seven Soldiers, had to be WELL over 50,000 years ago and likely MILLIONS or BILLIONS) nearly destroyed their universe.

An army of Brimstones would seriously put a hurting on Awave.

Daxamite army?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Daxamite army?

That's not the MO for 'current' Darkseid though. While, going by what was said in Great Darkness Saga that was a WEAKER than present day Darkseid, he also has never tried it.

For this threat, he wouldn't need it anyway.

Given his higher showings of prep and tech and power anything less than conquering the DCU seems like monumental CIS for Darkseid. Must be New Genesis's opposition that keeps him from just steamrolling the DCU with an army of Brimstones and a Legion of Staynes.