Originally posted by SuperMan103
pym beat Jan up in ultimate universe. nearly killed her too.
Originally posted by darthgooberI don't really blame him. I wonder what I would've done. In fact, choosing to become a herald seemed so logical in the origin story, I sometimes wonder if Jack Kirby had this at the back of his mind when he first created the Surfer, which was, supposedly, an afterthought in the Galactus story.
In Norrin's defense, he didn't realize that G was going to tamper with his mind/soul. He signed up for the job with the intention of only leading G to uninhabited worlds. That's why his soul remained so pure even after leading G to all those inhabited planets.
Originally posted by Mindship
I don't really blame him. I wonder what I would've done. In fact, choosing to become a herald seemed so logical in the origin story, I sometimes wonder if Jack Kirby had this at the back of his mind when he first created the Surfer, which was, supposedly, an afterthought.
It wasn't that much of a sacrifice, in a way. Norrid had become so bored with Zenn-La's stagnant society, he took this as an opportunity to fulfill a childhood dream.
Kirby didn't want to do an origin for the Surfer in the beginning; that was Stan's idea, that he had a life before Galactus.
You could put a lot of the ultimate marvel characters on this list. Ultimate Wolverine let Cyclops nearly fall to his death because he wanted Jean for himself, Ultimate Xavier is always screwing with people mind, Ult Pym bit blobs head off, Ult Thing killed Doom and Ult Cyclops killed Magneto when he surrendered.
I do remember regular Nick Fury taking a select number of heroes and infiltrating Latveria and setting off a bomb killing people and then erasing their memories. Oh and the Illuminate sending the Hulk to space might apply.
I think it was a dick move that Black Panther had a magic dues ex machina plot device that allowed him to identify the Skrulls had infiltrated key organizations and governments all over the Earth and were planning a coup... and even though he could tell who was a skrull and who wasn't, he didn't bother to tell anyone what was going on... not even the X-Men... no one... not even the slightest hint
Wolverine shows up every year on the Anniversary of Markio's death and cuts off one of Matsuo's body parts... which is pretty twisted.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I really think people blow that way out of proportion. He was mind-controlled IIRC and he only slapped Janet once, he didn't beat her to a pulp or anything.
He wasn't quite mind controlled, but was on a villain-induced mental breakdown.
The worst thing Janet ever did, probably, was find out Hank Pym had disassociative personality disorder (i.e. two personalities), not tell his friends, marry the other personality, and then when his personality disorder was cured she held his main personality- which she knew didn't know about it and had no choice in the matter- to the marriage.
That's messed up on multiple levels.
Not to mention Hank was interested in her in the first place because she looked just like his dead wife, who he had made up the wasp costume for before meeting Janet which he gave to her almost immediately after meeting her.
Then Hank started a thing with Jocasta who's his robot 'granddaughter' with the personality of the woman who had tricked/forced him into marrying her and whom he had run simulations on whether or not Janet would get back together with him...
Let's just say their relationship had many problems.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think it was a dick move that Black Panther had a magic dues ex machina plot device that allowed him to identify the Skrulls had infiltrated key organizations and governments all over the Earth and were planning a coup... and even though he could tell who was a skrull and who wasn't, he didn't bother to tell anyone what was going on... not even the X-Men... no one... not even the slightest hintWolverine shows up every year on the Anniversary of Markio's death and cuts off one of Matsuo's body parts... which is pretty twisted.
BP is actually kind of THE selfrighteous jerk.
Originally posted by Q99
He wasn't quite mind controlled, but was on a villain-induced mental breakdown.The worst thing Janet ever did, probably, was find out Hank Pym had disassociative personality disorder (i.e. two personalities), not tell his friends, marry the other personality, and then when his personality disorder was cured she held his main personality- which she knew didn't know about it and had no choice in the matter- to the marriage.
That's messed up on multiple levels.
Not to mention Hank was interested in her in the first place because she looked just like his dead wife, who he had made up the wasp costume for before meeting Janet which he gave to her almost immediately after meeting her.
Then Hank started a thing with Jocasta who's his robot 'granddaughter' with the personality of the woman who had tricked/forced him into marrying her and whom he had run simulations on whether or not Janet would get back together with him...
Let's just say their relationship had many problems.
And this is the guy Edgar Wright wants to make a movie about? 🤨
I don't get it, myself.
