Originally posted by Tron
And Batman, for not killing Joker, repeatably. How many innocents does Joker have to murder before Batman has the balls to stop it for good?
-Tosses a sideways glance at PR and Omega Vision- 😖hifty:
One questions why the legal system doesn't do it. It's not like Batman doesn't turn him over to people who can kill him.
Due process, I imagine. Once Joker's in custody he needs to have a trial. Doesn't matter how ****ed up he is, he needs to have a lawyer. Lawyer's stall, court proceedings take forever, and Joker's usually only in prison for ex amount of weeks, sometimes months. Even if someone is convicted of murder and sentenced to death, there is a lot of time between the conviction and the execution to allow for appeals, and the like.
However, you'd think that a cop would just say "**** it" and shoot the guy by now. If some white cop in Oakland California of all places can get away with blowing an innocent dude's head off; no one's going to make too big of a deal if a cop decides to shoot a mass murderer like the joker, unless Gotham's even more liberal than the bay area.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
-Tosses a sideways glance at PR and Omega Vision- 😖hifty:Due process, I imagine. Once Joker's in custody he needs to have a trial. Doesn't matter how ****ed up he is, he needs to have a lawyer. Lawyer's stall, court proceedings take forever, and Joker's usually only in prison for ex amount of weeks, sometimes months. Even if someone is convicted of murder and sentenced to death, there is a lot of time between the conviction and the execution to allow for appeals, and the like.
However, you'd think that a cop would just say "**** it" and shoot the guy by now. If some white cop in Oakland California of all places can get away with blowing an innocent dude's head off; no one's going to make too big of a deal if a cop decides to shoot a mass murderer like the joker, unless Gotham's even more liberal than the bay area.
There is so much red tape and procedure to fallow even in a normal arrest, that I imagine Batman's involvement in apprehending the Joker probably makes it next to impossible to get any of the significant charges to stick... not to mention that Batman is usually the primary witness to Joker's crimes... and its not like he takes the stand to testify. Real cops probably hate him and defense attorneys probably love him.
Gotham seems pretty "old money" I would imagine it leans pretty far right.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is so much red tape and procedure to fallow even in a normal arrest, that I imagine Batman's involvement in apprehending the Joker probably makes it next to impossible to get any of the significant charges to stick... not to mention that Batman is usually the primary witness to Joker's crimes... and its not like he takes the stand to testify. Real cops probably hate him and defense attorneys probably love him.Gotham seems pretty "old money" I would imagine it leans pretty far right.
Gotham is even more corrupt then Tortuga in the pirating days. If you got some money, you can walk free.
Originally posted by Tron
Peter Parker, for making a deal with the devil for his aunt's life, who said that she was at peace.And Batman, for not killing Joker, repeatably. How many innocents does Joker have to murder before Batman has the balls to stop it for good?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The one time he was going to kill Joker James Gordon stopped him. There are a number of reasons why he doesn't do it, but I'd rather not turn this thread into a fifty page argument when there's ten of those already.
And there are at least a couple of hundred reasons why he should kill him, and most of them are buried in Gotham's cemetery. But you're right, we won't get into that debate here, there's already a thread in the Batman Forum for that.
Originally posted by Tron
And there are at least a couple of hundred reasons why he should kill him, and most of them are buried in Gotham's cemetery. But you're right, we won't get into that debate here, there's already a thread in the Batman Forum for that.
Originally posted by willRules
The really twisted thing about this one? Not only did he get away with it, he thinks he's the hero for doing so 😠
It's left ambigous as to whether he gets away with it or not, and judging by what a crapsack world he lived in I'd say he made the right call in the long term.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
It's left ambigous as to whether he gets away with it or not, and judging by what a crapsack world he lived in I'd say he made the right call in the long term.
Well that's the beauty behind the ambiguous nature of the text. I personally saw him as an intelligent madman. For me he was more Lex Luthor, less Superman. More bad guy, than good.
Originally posted by willRules
The really twisted thing about this one? Not only did he get away with it, he thinks he's the hero for doing so 😠
Well what really was the alternative? I mean anyone that makes that statement I ask, What would you have done different?
I mean there really was no alternative solution in my opinion. Unless you'd been Dr. Manhattan, they said not even he could've stopped it entirely but I really find that hard to believe. Besides as you saw reading the story he really just didn't care or even believe he could change things. I donno maybe he really couldn't. Seeing things from his perspective could really show things we can't even conceive and perhaps he's right. We really have no way to judge.
But more on point, as just a single mere man watching armageddon unfold right before the worlds eyes. What else can you do besides sit back and watch the world end or deal with it and make the hard choice, no one wants to be responsible for, for the greater good and save the world in the process?
Originally posted by willRules
Well that's the beauty behind the ambiguous nature of the text. I personally saw him as an intelligent madman. For me he was more Lex Luthor, less Superman. More bad guy, than good.
Thats something about Lex Luthor, normally he's portrayed as just a rich arrogant self centered bastard but I've always loved best the few stories when he's portrayed as more of a gray area misguided anti hero. When its shown he actually believes he can and wants to help humanity grow. Believing Superman doesn't deserve his power, isn't willing to do what he really can, whats necessary and is holding humanity back by making us dependent on him. If written right it's a point of view that can really be more understood and allow Lex to be seen as more than a pure mustache twirling evil selfish dickhead.
Originally posted by Entity
I donno. With the exception of Jigsaw most of Frank Castle's solutions are permanent! 😉