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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still waiting on Omega since he claimed Thanos doesn't have the feats to back up the reaction time claims

Fallen One seems legit though. I'm just curious where you stood on the Etrigan vs Dante debate where the point of contention was whether defeating a speed blitz by Superman was indicative of lightspeed reflexes.

Can you find the quote where ODG said this? Because in my experience watching you two debate you all too often strawman him or twist what he said to suit your ends.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Unless a specific reference for how fast the energy blast goes is given, swatting/blocking etc. those blasts is inconsequential to the character's actual combat superspeed.

I know this must be hard for the fans, especially for those of characters who have close to none speed feats other than that (like Thanos fans, you can go eat a dick Bran) but it's quite idiotic to judge it otherwise.

It would be smarter to analogize the properties of energy blasts as going at the speed of a cheetah. Clearly.

This is not idiotic. Thus, with your blessing, I nominate "cheetah speeds" as the default energy blast speed unless otherwise stated. And anybody who slaps away an energy blast has FTC reflexes.

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
I personally don't see the Maker showing as a FTL reaction feat. Same with the hammer thing, because that presupposes that Thor's hammer always travels FTL.

Fallen One seems legit though. I'm just curious where you stood on the Etrigan vs Dante debate where the point of contention was whether defeating a speed blitz by Superman was indicative of lightspeed reflexes.

Can you find the quote where ODG said this? Because in my experience watching you two debate you all too often strawman him or twist what he said to suit your ends.

Ask ODG yourself. He will have no issue stating that Thanos always has his shields up by default. I disagree with it but that is certainly his view point.

As far as your question... ummmmm was it stated that superman was fighting at FTL speeds?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. Because it's dumb to analogize the properties of energy blasts with electromagnetic radiation, the forms of which all move at light speed. And this isn't supported at all by various energy blasts (that don't comfortably conform to the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation) going at the speed of light or exceeding the speed of light on-panel.

It would be smarter to analogize the properties of energy blasts as going at the speed of a cheetah. Clearly.

This is not idiotic. Thus, with your blessing, I nominate "cheetah speeds" as the default energy blast speed unless otherwise stated. And anybody who slaps away an energy blast has FTC reflexes.

bwahahaha. Mark it down... we agree on something. You're saying that energy blasts could reasonably considered to go at the speed of light considering their make up right?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ask ODG yourself. He will have no issue stating that Thanos always has his shields up by default. I disagree with it but that is certainly his view point.

As far as your question... ummmmm was it stated that superman was fighting at FTL speeds?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. Because it's dumb to analogize the properties of energy blasts with electromagnetic radiation, the forms of which all move at light speed.

In fact, I'm fairly certain that if I continued reading your post past this point, you couldn't possibly be stupid enough to go 'all energy is electromagnetic energy is lightspeed - thus everyone who has reacted to energy blasts in any way in comics has FTL movements'.

^ You're right. I didn't state that.

Because suggesting that it's reasonable to analogize the speed of energy blasts with the speed of elctromagnetic radiation =/= stating all energy blasts are electromagnetic radiation thus they all go at light speeds.

Especially considering we've seen energy blasts that don't comfortably fit into the spectrum of standard electromagnetic radiation be quantified as moving at light speeds and exceeding light speeds. And if I said energy blasts all go at light speeds that would completely ignore the times where energy blasts actually exceed light speeds.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
bwahahaha. Mark it down... we agree on something. You're saying that energy blasts could reasonably considered to go at the speed of light considering their make up right?

Because energy blasts are made up of cheetah pieces. Ergo, they go at cheetah speeds.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
stating that it's reasonable to analogize the speed of energy blasts with the speed of elctromagnetic radiation

You actually think that it's ok to consider random energy blasts lightspeed because it's a resonable conclusion since electromagnetic radiation is? Because that might just be the dumbest thing I've heard in months.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No. But was it stated that Fallen One or Ganymede were fighting at FTL speeds? Or did you just assume that because they are capable of FTL speeds?

That is the thing... in the example you used I would say this.... He showed that he could deal with combat speed effectively of a character who can fight very fast. This doesn't mean react to FTL punches or kicks per se.. but does show he can deal with a fast opponent and has good reaction speed.

Ummm yes in the case of the Fallen one it was said. That was HIS thing. To go FTL and crash into things.. he did so to a planet and Thanos ship. Yet you wanna assume he reduced his usual schtick for Thanos?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, that part is what I'm reffering to as so dense it's amazing an E-blackhole hasn't been formed once it was posted.

You actually think that it's ok to consider random energy blasts lightspeed because it's a resonable conclusion since electromagnetic radiation is? Because that might just be the dumbest thing I've heard in months.

Do you disagree about electromagnetic radiation going the speed of light?

Adress me when you're capable of comprehending even the simplest of posts.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, that part is what I'm reffering to as so dense it's amazing an E-blackhole hasn't been formed once it was posted.

You actually think that it's ok to consider random energy blasts lightspeed because it's a resonable conclusion since electromagnetic radiation is? Because that might just be the dumbest thing I've heard in months.

Right. Because little did we all know (ignorant as we are), that energy blasts are made of cheetahs. This is the smartest thing we have all read in months.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because what we see as energy blasts shouldn't be analogized with the form of energy that we are all familiar with, i.e., electromagnetic radiation.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And various energy blasts throughout comics have been quantified on-panel as going at the speed of light or exceeding the speed of light.

I guess I was right. This is the stupidest thing uttered in months.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Exactly.

So that means that all energy blasts can be quantified at lightspeed or above?

I guess I was right. This is the stupidest things uttered in months.

No. That means that many energy blasts have been quantified as going at the speed of light or exceeding the speed of light. Ergo, there's a recurring pattern here that when energy blasts/rays/lasers are quantified on-panel, it's at or above the speed of light, or more appropriately, the speed of electromagnetic radiation. Which is what we humble "common knowledgers" automatically think of when we think of energy. Accordingly, it's reasonable to assume that energy blasts/rays/lasers are moving at the speed of light. That's what I suggested.

And energy blasts being made of cheetahs is one of the smartest things uttered in months. I am proud to have been influenced by your prodigious intelligence.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I understand you now.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. That means that many energy blasts have been quantified as going at the speed of light or exceeding the speed of light. Ergo, there's a recurring pattern here that when energy blasts/rays/lasers are quantified on-panel, it's at or above the speed of light, or more appropriately, the speed of electromagnetic radiation. Which is what we humble "common knowledgers" automatically think of when we think of energy.

How can you possibly think this standpoint is valid, considering there have been characters who've blocked/reacted to energy blasts who have absolutley no business being at that level and, assuming you've consistently read comics (which I know you have, since you made two of the largest respect threads on this site) you must know that normal energy blasts are scarcely portrayed at the level you seem to implying it's safe to assume all of them are.

In fact right now I can directly show you an example of energy attacks that are specifically part of the electromagnetic spectrum being portrayed inconsistently and characters who have no business being in the vecinity of lightspeed reacting to them.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I doubt that, since comics seem to present so much difficulty.

Some energy blasts being quantified as going the speed of light or above doesn't make it so that it's safe to assume that every energy blast is at that level thus every instance of a character reacting to one being a demonstration of lightspeed/ftl reaction time and movement.

Right. It doesn't. It makes it reasonable to assume that energy blasts are traveling at light speed. And whether the energy blast is traveling at light speed has nothing to do with a character reacting to it at FTL speeds unless the character is clearly initiating his movement AFTER the energy blast is initiated.

Originally posted by Philosophía
How can you possibly think this standpoint is valid, considering there have been characters who've blocked/reacted to energy blasts who have absolutley no business being at that level and, assuming you've consistently read comics (which I know you have, since you made two of the largest respect threads on this site) you must know that normal energy blasts are scarcely portrayed at the level you seem to implying it's safe to assume all of them are.

In fact right now I can directly show you an example of energy attacks that are specifically part of the electromagnetic spectrum being portrayed inconsistently and characters who have no business being in the vecinity of lightspeed reacting to them.

If it has nothing to do with aim-dodging or aim-blocking, call it PIS and you can be happy with yourself.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
call it PIS and you can be happy with yourself.

And yes, I am quite familiar with aim dodging - that's not what I was talking about.

so er'body can see what the issue is:

Originally posted by Philosophía
I actually lol'd at that one, because the reverse is true - unless you consider everytime somebody has reacted to an energy blast after it's fired, in any way - PIS, then it means that you're entire..can I call it argument? No. Let's call it "ODGs epic generalization fail'. Yes, that one falls in on itself.

And yes, I am quite familiar with aim dodging - that's not what I was talking about.

Well, your confidence in your conclusions are clearly demonstrated by your dismissive attitude and ease with labeling any notions of the contrary as the "stupidest thing in months." Ergo, I presume that you must have scoress of pieces of on-panel evidence that completely and utterly outweigh (a) all the times random energy blasts are actually quantified as light speed or light speed+, (b) the concept of thinking that energy blasts/rays/lasers are analogous to the concept of electromagnetic radiation... which especially have nothing to do with (c) a case of aim-dodging or aim-blocking.

Can you post these scores of pieces of on-panel evidence? Actually... why am I selling you short? You must have hundreds. I am particularly interested in your evidence that suggest that energy blasts/rays/lasers have less to do with electromagnetic radiation than they do with cheetahs.