Omega Mutants vs. JLA

I know Omega was the only one with a clear power level(or lack thereof), but the others were defined at least to an extent, that's my point.

Originally posted by 753
of that list only iceman and grey have been confimred as omegas

my assumption was that the op (with lack of description) meant that the five mutants were all at omega levels in this fight

I think the starter just assumed them all to be Omegas. And if all of them were....that's just bad for the JLA.

Oh and Vulcan is somewhere between Omega...and beyond Omega after losing the powers of Sway, Darwin, and Petra.

Originally posted by 753
lol no

SNG is a psionic energy being who is intangible by default and impervious to mundane physical harm. he is a precog, can step out of the timeline and reenter it at will. he can teleport, has TK shields and AoE attacks. he can beat flash

MJJ would simply rape the whole JLA

Originally posted by Decimus
He isn't intangible by default and no he isn't a being of pure energy yet at least. He may be faster than most but his speed is no where near comparable to Supes or Flash. Let's say Nate can actually think faster than superman or flash - do u really think he can react as fast as them even with precog which cannot help because he has never shown to _react FTL. Plus surfer is not as fast as the superman and flash but he has durability that is far beyond SNG which would not be able to take blows to mount a proper defense with out to shields raised and that was never specified by the originator of this tread. I'm out I'll come back to your response later I expect it to be smug as per usual. _

furthermore, he doesnt have to think faster than flash or sm, he knows the future in advance and can leave the timeline to come back to a moment and place he desires.

this combiantion of factors are already enough to counter the blitz. it's funny because you are the smug one and ignorant of the character too.

I'm not ignorant of the character see that's the problem u are ignorant of what biochemistry and physics are at play buddy. The character SNG is an uber mutant with inferior durability and speed but is extremely powerful nonetheless. How could Nate possibly know the future if he is place instantly in neutral zone plus even hypothetically if he attempts to slip out of the time stream somehow since his thoughts are obviously simply so much faster that supes and flash to u... Hey can't flash follow him and vibrate his hand right through him or just hit him with one imp. Last time I checked Nate can also be ko'ed without being killed I mean he is far from infallible & unbeatable. _The speed of thought amongst psychics is just so inconsistent when up against FTL speed. If he is destroyed for some time that will still count as a loss. _Nate and the rest of his team loses- true story dude.

Originally posted by byrdgang21
Apocalypse
Magneto
Vulcan
Iceman
Nate Grey

Vs.

Superman
WW
MM
Flash
Captain Marvel

Who wins?

Originally posted by Decimus
I'm not ignorant of the character see that's the problem u are ignorant of what biochemistry and physics are at play buddy. The character SNG is an uber mutant with inferior durability and speed but is extremely powerful nonetheless. How could Nate possibly know the future if he is place instantly in neutral zone plus even hypothetically if he attempts to slip out of the time stream somehow since his thoughts are obviously simply so much faster that supes and flash to u... Hey can't flash follow him and vibrate his hand right through him or just hit him with one imp. Last time I checked Nate can also be ko'ed without being killed I mean he is far from infallible & unbeatable. _The speed of thought amongst psychics is just so inconsistent when up against FTL speed. If he is destroyed for some time that will still count as a loss. _Nate and the rest of his team loses- true story dude.

I never claimed he thinks faster than they do, you made that up, nice strawman. I said he can counter the blitz through a variety of ways and that we cannot truly precise how fast they think in comparison to him.

indeed, he is not infallible. a lot of charatcer can defeat him, the safest aveneus of attack would be magic, high energy manipulation, reality warping (even very low level would do) or an even more powerfull telepath. direct physical attacks are much less effective.

some of their more exotic attacks might secure them the win, but I wouldnt give either of them a majority against him.

flash can run between dimension so he might be able to follow him, although timetravelling is a bit trickier. vibrating might accomplish something, but the IMP is unlikley to yeld results.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
apoc and magneto are not omega level mutants. Also I dont believe vulcan is either. He was believed to be on becuase darwin morphed with him. However I dont recall him ever being stated as omega level being after that.

Originally posted by Decimus
I'm not ignorant of the character see that's the problem u are ignorant of what biochemistry and physics are at play buddy.

The mutants wins and if anyone of the mutants is omega level it should be Magneto based off of talent and power alone.

Originally posted by 753
hes omega. when darwin was merged to him he was stated to be beyond omega

That the writer admitted he fu@ked up. There is nothing higher than being classified Omega. Not unless the mutants digivolve to the ultimate level.

Originally posted by 753
hes omega. when darwin was merged to him he was stated to be beyond omega

Originally posted by carver9
The mutants wins and if anyone of the mutants is omega level it should be Magneto based off of talent and power alone.

Originally posted by carver9
The mutants wins and if anyone of the mutants is omega level it should be Magneto based off of talent and power alone.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I dont think so. Only time he was stated as Omega officially was the first issue he was in to my knowledge. They thought it was Proffessor x, but it was a trap set by vulcan. Vulcan said he was beyond omega, but that far from official thats just he bragging.

Originally posted by "Id"
That the writer admitted he fu@ked up. There is nothing higher than being classified Omega. Not unless the mutants digivolve to the ultimate level.

Originally posted by 753
IIRC emma said: omega level at least. still, I dont think his status was lowered after darwin was separated from him. wwhat ifs treat him as omega too, I know theyre noto canon, just giving an indication of writer mentality

That is true, I not sure if it was lowered. However dident he drop in power?

What if there both treated as omega? is that what you mean? Thats interesting. Then while they were merged then be beyond simply omega. Though I not sure darwin is omega (he should be, but I remember there was a thread were it was being argued he wasent)

Originally posted by 753
yeah, omega is just limitless potential, but it made sense, considering darwin was in there too.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
She may have, I dont remember everything, it been a while since I read the arc.

That is true, I not sure if it was lowered. However dident he drop in power?

What if there both treated as omega? is that what you mean? Thats interesting. Then while they were merged then be beyond simply omega. Though I not sure darwin is omega (he should be, but I remember there was a thread were it was being argued he wasent)

current darwin just kicked the shit out of hella, the death godess.