Omega Mutants vs. JLA

Originally posted by 753
enlighten me on the biochemistry and physics at play here please. SNG didnt even have a body until he amde one.

I never claimed he thinks faster than they do, you made that up, nice strawman. I said he can counter the blitz through a variety of ways and that we cannot truly precise how fast they think in comparison to him.

indeed, he is not infallible. a lot of charatcer can defeat him, the safest aveneus of attack would be magic, high energy manipulation, reality warping (even very low level would do) or an even more powerfull telepath. direct physical attacks are much less effective.

some of their more exotic attacks might secure them the win, but I wouldnt give either of them a majority against him.

flash can run between dimension so he might be able to follow him, although timetravelling is a bit trickier. vibrating might accomplish something, but the IMP is unlikley to yeld results.

Originally posted by 753
yeah I think they're both omega, in fact, darwin is for sure, people kept refering to him that way. vulcan did drop down in power after the split, but it think he was omega to begin with.

current darwin just kicked the shit out of hella, the death godess.

I don't think vulcan is omega to be honest. The summer brothers have this kinda equality about them. I really think he just an alpha like his brothers. He just a powerful alpha.

Originally posted by "Id"
Well he is Omega, with out with out Darwin and co. What has me confused is the ending part of Deadly Genesis. Was his power escalating to that of Galactus with Darwin? If so it doesn’t make sense, because they just expelled Darwin from his body.

polaris was the one to throw krakoa into outer space, not jean like it claimed.

Flash can't time travel smh-just by going FTL u time travel.

Originally posted by Decimus
Sure I will enlighten u but hey u mind answering me can Nate not be KOed and be incapicitated that way like I wrote in my previous post. Since obviously fists that cannot be perceived by Nate cannot possibly damage him. So u believe SNG with Iceman which is what this comes to can beat the JLA team listed. My argument is strong and valid u should know that.

this fight could go either way.
if you go back to my first post, I was arguing flash cant solo the mutants because SNG can counter the blitz. Iceman can also survive it on his own.

Now, the JLA certainly has the speed advantage, so if they blitz right off the bat that would take almost everyone in team mutant out instantly. but considering they fight in charatcer, this is less likely. magneto and vulcan will have time to raise force-fields.

below SNG, magneto and vulcan are the biggest threats btw, not iceman. even poccy would do better than iceman.

Apocalypse
Magneto
Vulcan
Iceman
Nate Grey

Vs.

Superman
WW
MM
Flash
Captain Marvel

This looks like another mismatch. And yes, Flash could indeed solo. MM is a stronger TP than Xman. None of them can face Superman or Marvel straight up. Iceman might have to be BFRed, or tied down with the lasso, but he's no threat.

I can't see any scenario where the omegas actually win. They're just outclassed. 🙁

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apocalypse
Magneto
Vulcan
Iceman
Nate Grey

Vs.

Superman
WW
MM
Flash
Captain Marvel

This looks like another mismatch. And yes, Flash could indeed solo. MM is a stronger TP than Xman. None of them can face Superman or Marvel straight up. Iceman might have to be BFRed, or tied down with the lasso, but he's no threat.

I can't see any scenario where the omegas actually win. They're just outclassed. 🙁

Originally posted by 753
he can beat flash

considering with CIS flash rarely uses his top speed to blitz enemies, it is an even greater stomp for mr. Grey

Originally posted by Decimus
Flash can't time travel smh-just by going FTL u time travel.

ummmm, not in comics....

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yea I figured darwin was omega.

I don't think vulcan is omega to be honest. The summer brothers have this kinda equality about them. I really think he just an alpha like his brothers. He just a powerful alpha.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Well Vulcans ability to manipulate just about all forms of energy is suppose to be why hes omega which I dont agree with either

Does anyone actaully have scans of vulcan being stated as omega level mutant? and i mean just vulcan.

Originally posted by Decimus
u are ignorant of what biochemistry and physics are at play buddy.

I facepalmed that for you 753

So if Nate Grey is knocked unconscious what would happen- not killed. Knocked out would probably be easier. Plus it was my understanding that the characters fight to their max potential without CIS if CIS is ON then I'm sorry and admit the omega team has a much better chance of winning. Again in character means that the team that has a majority of heroes on it would hold back more and this is spite in favor of the omegas team due to Nate having time. Again time is the factor since how the teams perceive it and act accordingly are different. If the omega team has time to not be overcome with the speed disparity then they have the advantage due to Nates power set.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

This looks like another mismatch. MM is a stronger TP than Xman. just outclassed. 🙁

comicvine insane

Originally posted by inimalist
I facepalmed that for you 753

Literally the flash and superman can live at the very least days of time in one sec and that's being nice. Light travels one foot per nano sec and both superman and flash can exceed this at will when they want to. First of all Flash doesn't seem to build lactic acid and if he does it is not noticeable since the speed force negates friction from the equation so work basically becomes viewed as negligible to in relation to him so it seems he can do what he does theoretically indefinitely. There is no m(v); v > c, m = ∞ to worry about when it comes to the Flash unless he wants it applied i.e. imp. _Superman while affected by friction still does compete with the Flash to some extent which shows how ridiculous his molecular density and cellular shielding is. He either has something equivalent to mitochondria that works in either the upper dimensions or on a level that is going towards strings. These are the two most likely possibilities considering Clarke's non need for anything really other that G V class radiation. _This is by far the most fascinating thing that allows him to store energy and continuously absorb more and more radiation and convert it into compounds similar to ATP that his body can use to readily gain incredible speed and strength in times of extreme physical or mental stress. _It also has been speculated that he warps or controls gravitons to fly and negate mass (also tactilekinesis to avoid objects collapsing under there own weight) that he has transferred to him via things like lets say a planet. Tanking the friction would also lighten part of what is involved in a lifting,punching and speed feats. _In relative terms for his size superman is on par with a relatively small singularity but his destructive output in bursts over time seems to exceed even that. Superman definitely has connections to string theory (the higher dimension control of various attributes) as well as some and inferential info tying into M theory. Which makes sense because the Kryptonians were extremely advanced and _they would either genetically augment themselves or use their tech to maximize their survival of a possible universal end. Superman is a prime example of that convoluted science at play in his very being. Things that are currently found were actually found long ago and placed into the kryptonian species before their untimely demise. The Flash defies physics and Superman is beyond even a moderate understanding of all conventional physics and biochemistry but we can still generate a picture that is more accurate than not when comparing characters nevertheless. Superman doesn't have the speed force so he should actually turn into a black hole before ever reaching light speed due to his energy being converted into mass. (Yet it doesn't happen) Then u have Nate Grey trying to tie Planck time or length in his power set when he is not the product of an extremely advanced (at least class II) civilization just AoA Sinister is just funny. Anyway I digress if Nate has time he can win but he won't if the opposing team is in to win without holding back.

tl;dr

Originally posted by Decimus
Flash can't time travel smh-just by going FTL u time travel.

I activate facepalm with people making caricatures of other people who actually know something.

Originally posted by inimalist
I facepalmed that for you 753

Originally posted by Decimus
Literally the flash and superman can live at the very least days of time in one sec and that's being nice. Light travels one foot per nano sec and both superman and flash can exceed this at will when they want to. First of all Flash doesn't seem to build lactic acid and if he does it is not noticeable since the speed force negates friction from the equation so work basically becomes viewed as negligible to in relation to him so it seems he can do what he does theoretically indefinitely. There is no m(v); v > c, m = ∞ to worry about when it comes to the Flash unless he wants it applied i.e. imp. _Superman while affected by friction still does compete with the Flash to some extent which shows how ridiculous his molecular density and cellular shielding is. He either has something equivalent to mitochondria that works in either the upper dimensions or on a level that is going towards strings. These are the two most likely possibilities considering Clarke's non need for anything really other that G V class radiation. _This is by far the most fascinating thing that allows him to store energy and continuously absorb more and more radiation and convert it into compounds similar to ATP that his body can use to readily gain incredible speed and strength in times of extreme physical or mental stress. _It also has been speculated that he warps or controls gravitons to fly and negate mass (also tactilekinesis to avoid objects collapsing under there own weight) that he has transferred to him via things like lets say a planet. Tanking the friction would also lighten part of what is involved in a lifting,punching and speed feats. _In relative terms for his size superman is on par with a relatively small singularity but his destructive output in bursts over time seems to exceed even that. Superman definitely has connections to string theory (the higher dimension control of various attributes) as well as some and inferential info tying into M theory. Which makes sense because the Kryptonians were extremely advanced and _they would either genetically augment themselves or use their tech to maximize their survival of a possible universal end. Superman is a prime example of that convoluted science at play in his very being. Things that are currently found were actually found long ago and placed into the kryptonian species before their untimely demise. The Flash defies physics and Superman is beyond even a moderate understanding of all conventional physics and biochemistry but we can still generate a picture that is more accurate than not when comparing characters nevertheless. Superman doesn't have the speed force so he should actually turn into a black hole before ever reaching light speed due to his energy being converted into mass. (Yet it doesn't happen) Then u have Nate Grey trying to tie Planck time or length in his power set when he is not the product of an extremely advanced (at least class II) civilization just AoA Sinister is just funny. Anyway I digress if Nate has time he can win but he won't if the opposing team is in to win without holding back.

radiation also doesn't give you spider powers...

/the more you know

Originally posted by Decimus
I activate facepalm with people making caricatures of other people who actually know something.

yes, this is good

you should BZ 753 about biology 😄