Surfer & Hulk vs. Thor.& Herc

Originally posted by Stoic
Well in that case he wins via bfr, but to say that he wins in a physical contest against someone that beat Rulk on those same terms (h2h), is yet to be seen.

Or through his superiority in power. Battle field removal is not the only option.

I don't think Thor is putting down Hulk hand to hand. He has, but that's outside the norm. The two would more than likely stalemate. At least they would have.

The Rulk beat down was stupid. Suddenly Banner Hulk can easily defeat Rulk? I know the issue was supposed to be a big apology to Hulk fans -even had She-Hulk beat down Red She-Hulk- but taking him out with a Thunder Clap and barely phasing the Hulk at all? It really brought his stock down.

Now Thor's going to push his shit in #26 and it's not going to even matter. Oh well, at least he showed that he could defeat Rulk in #6 while he still had that new villain smell.

Originally posted by Stoic
The same applies to Hercules, until he has surpassed the feats set by Hulk in the past 4 years there is no proof that either team would win.

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Hercules has gained omniscience and a power beyond Skyfathers. I doubt even Pak would write the Hulk as anything more than an insignificant annoyance to Hercules.

Originally posted by Stoic
Has Thor dropped in power since his fight with Rulk? If so things seem a little sketchy for him to dominate either of these guys since they have gotten upgrades, and Thor I assume is back to classic levels? Am I right at all about any of this?

Technically yes. In the second arc of JMS' Thor run it was revealed that he had some portion of the Odin Power since his return -f*cking Thor bags are there own worst enemies- but I doubt it will make any difference in his performance level.

Outside of the Bor fight, he was basically in classic mode.

He would be sorely lacking in power based on the past. Classic Thor has never laid the Destroyer out. I recall the Destroyer giving him an extreme skeletal fracture back in the classic days. Rulk hung tough with Thor that could take on the Destroyer. It doesn't make sense, and seems to place Thor as the underdog, if plot and story would dictate.

Originally posted by Stoic
He would be sorely lacking in power based on the past.

What makes you say that?

Originally posted by Stoic
Classic Thor has never laid the Destroyer out.

So? And, Destroyer > Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
I recall the Destroyer giving him an extreme skeletal fracture back in the classic days.

Never happened. At best, an amped Destroyer was able to break the arm of a Thor was holding back. On the other hand, the Destroyer was able to grab Hulk in a bear hug, casually breaking his ribs.

Originally posted by Stoic
Rulk hung tough with Thor that could take on the Destroyer. It doesn't make sense, and seems to place Thor as the underdog, if plot and story would dictate.

Thor could always take on the Destroyer.

What?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What makes you say that?

So? And, Destroyer > Hulk.

Never happened. At best, an amped Destroyer was able to break the arm of a Thor was holding back. On the other hand, the Destroyer was able to grab Hulk in a bear hug, casually breaking his ribs.
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Thor could always take on the Destroyer.

What?

Wait did you say that Thor was in the same weight class as the Destroyer, in his classic days? I've always seen Thor on the run against a superior force, I guess it's perspective.

A far weaker Hulk.

Amped? The Destroyer has always had Thor on the run, in every fight, except when he came back from the dead

Originally posted by Stoic
Wait did you say that Thor was in the same weight class as the Destroyer, in his classic days? I've always seen Thor on the run against a superior force, I guess it's perspective.

Yes he was. Always has been except one particular fight.

How long has it been since you've read their battles?

Physically speaking, Thor didn't do anything against the Destroyer after his ressurection that he could not do in the past. Trading blows with the Destroyer evenly is something he has done before on various occasions.

Edit: To be fair, he was a bit on the run during their first fight from what I recall. And he makes it a habit to dodge the beam. But physically speaking, he always mans up and takes the Destroyer head on.

But the Hulk grows in power, and this one seems to be able to get exponentially stronger in seconds.

If Hercules is at the moment infinity gem of power strong then they would likely win with him alone, but is he this powerful? The Hulk did some pretty impressive feats since his exile from earth to Sakaar till now. Herc has to prove that he is on the level, or beyond. The Hulk restrained a planet, and kept it from blowing up like Krypton. That was a feat.

Originally posted by Stoic
But the Hulk grows in power, and this one seems to be able to get exponentially stronger in seconds.

If Hercules is at the moment infinity gem of power strong then they would likely win with him alone, but is he this powerful? The Hulk did some pretty impressive feats since his exile from earth to Sakaar till now. Herc has to prove that he is on the level, or beyond. The Hulk restrained a planet, and kept it from blowing up like Krypton. That was a feat.

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Are you honestly trying to argue that the Hulk will stand any chance of beating current Hercules? This isn't some vague power up along the lines of Universal Majestic. It was made clear that Hercules was upgraded to at least high end Skyfather levels. The writer(s) even said that Hercules is far more powerful than Zeus ever was. In other words, he is beyond the Hulk.

When Chaos War starts and he faces off Mikaboshi, you'll have all the feats you want.

IRCC, Vali was going to use the power Hercules gained to defeat the council of Skyfather god heads. That right there is an in comic book reference of power.

This is a stomp in Team One's favour.

Unless Herc has gotten some new magical/godly powers a la Odin, I don't see how you can say that he is clearly over Hulk. This is BY FAR THE STRONGEST we've seen the Hulk and that's saying a lot. So if this only a physical upgrade for Herc, imo current Hulk should still be able to take the majority. The best I see Herc doing is stalemating.

A Thor and SS matchup is tricky too, because it seems everyone in the fight has been upgraded in the recent past. Although Thor has been kind of written inconsistently during his stretch, its hard to tell if he still basis upgraded powers or if he was downgraded back to classic levels. If its the latter I am inclined to go with SS.

Team 1 for majority.

Originally posted by byrdgang21
I don't see how you can say that he is clearly over Hulk.

yet he actually manages to form good arguments o O

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
yet he actually manages to form good arguments o O

hes a norse god, the norse revel in battle

Originally posted by Starscream M
really? saying Thor prefers to get pummeled doesn't strike me as a good argument

Did I not tell you that replying to posts without actually reading them was stupid?

He is clearly referring to my comments regarding Hercules' new upgrade. An upgrade that places him a fair bit above the Hulk.

Originally posted by Starscream M
really? saying Thor prefers to get pummeled doesn't strike me as a good argument

Thor enjoys combat. He chooses to engage his opponents in hand to hand. It falls under CIS.

What. Do. You. Not. Understand?

Your existence has made me reconsider my position on breeding control.

Originally posted by byrdgang21
Unless Herc has gotten some new magical/godly powers a la Odin, I don't see how you can say that he is clearly over Hulk. This is BY FAR THE STRONGEST we've seen the Hulk and that's saying a lot. So if this only a physical upgrade for Herc, imo current Hulk should still be able to take the majority. The best I see Herc doing is stalemating.

Chaos War 1 preview:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=37923

His upgrade is more than just physical.

Any Skyfather level character or above will push Hulk's shit in. Yes, even in a physical contest.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Any Skyfather level character or above will push Hulk's shit in. Yes, even in a physical contest.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it's comments like these that make you seem very ignorant 😬

Ignorant? I'd wager that I know a hell of a lot more about the Hulk than you do.

Your straight up loony if you think anyone on the level of Skyfather and above wouldn't destroy the Hulk in a hand to hand fight. 99% of the time he operates in the same class as Thor and Superman.

Hulk would fare about as well as he did Gaea. Or Klaatu. But he had some energy absorption factor going on. Or the female Sphinx but that was an alternate future.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Team two stomps in a spite thread. Current Hercules is like Cosmic level now.

It amuses me how you constantly say this like it's some proven fact.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ignorant? I'd wager that I know a hell of a lot more about the Hulk than you do.

Your straight up loony if you think anyone on the level of Skyfather and above wouldn't destroy the Hulk in a hand to hand fight. 99% of the time he operates in the same class as Thor and Superman.

but WWH or World breaker hulk would push the shit in skyfather's faces in a purely physical contest. I could see WBH stomping Odin if Odin was foolish enough to engage in a melee fight.

hercules a far above skyfather, his power is enough to defeat the coucil elite which is a union of about 20 skyfathers
he also gained omniscience with that power

current herc blinks and win that is beyond spite
classic herc beat up sentry and savage hulk