Originally posted by peterscj
The important thing to remember is the difference between Satanism and Luciferianism. Satanists use Satan as a symbol of independence. Luciferians use him as a god. Why would atheistic satanists worship a biblical figure. They wouldnt
For these reasons, it's inherently evil as Luciferianism is.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
That means Satanism is a fake cult established for atheists that uses Satan to encourage poser "Satanists" to satisfy their carnal desires and/or money laundering schemes.For these reasons, it's inherently evil as Luciferianism is.
It's really not inherently evil though. Satan is a figure head due to his rebellious nature, a nature the group encourages. However, rebellion doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. They might interpret certain acts as rebellious that you would not, and vice versa.
Thus it wouldn't necessarily always fall on the negative/illegal side of things. I don't see money laundering as very rebellious though. Nothing rebellious about greed. Maybe if they laundered money and then burned it all like the Joker.
This whole discussion is somewhat hilarious to me...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism
It was estimated that there were 50,000 Satanists in 1990. There may now be as many as one hundred thousand Satanists in the world
...it would legitimately be hard to talk about a smaller, more irrelevant sect on the planet, and still have it be a valid religious discussion.
Also, no one here is actually a Satanist, and I doubt anyone knows much outside of what they learned in a Google search (present company included). So like, the post above me talks about "True" Satanism, like that's even a thing, and is anything more than someone with a website and an audience the size of a sh*tty Youtube channel. And nevermind that I could take five minutes and find "official" Satanic texts, from the Satanic Bible no less, that disagree with AF's take on "true" Satanism. Nah, forget that. Let's just pretend our image of Satanism is actually true, whatever it happens to be; they're definitely all atheist trolls; they're also definitely all literal Satan worshippers; they're also definitely a bogeyman for paranoid Christian evangelicals looking for any excuse for a foil; but they definitely don't believe in a literal Satan; except for the true Satanists...they definitely do; and they definitely...etc.,etc.
So my only actual opinion is that you're all talking out of your asses.
After talking to someone whose a satanist. She told me there are different facets of it. 3, in fact. 1. The traditional Luciferian belief. 2. Something I forget, may have to ask her later, and also, spiritual.
(On a sidenote, shes a damn sweetheart for being a satanist, very kind.) She also said that in Luciferian belief, you aren't allowed to kill humans, animals, or life in general. Just as well, in their belief, Satan doesn't want the destruction of the world. Imagine everything we believe God is, and replace it with Satan, pretty much.
She also said she doesn't hate God, but that there extremists for every religion, and that she wouldn't be surprised if a Satanist went around killing people and making Black Magic circles and sacrifices.
How did we come up on the subject? She told me people had refused to talk to her because of her religion. So, yeah.
LOL. I'm sorry but why would anyone trust someone who calls themselves a "Satanist"? To a Satanist, lying would be like breathing. Satan is the Prince of liars himself; so, why would people who say they're Satanists not be liars themselves?
If you don't want people to think that you believe in Satan then perhaps you shouldn't be calling yourself a "Satanist".
Originally posted by Star428
LOL. I'm sorry but why would anyone trust someone who calls themselves a "Satanist"? To a Satanist, lying would be like breathing. Satan is the Prince of liars himself; so, why would people who say they're Satanists not be liars themselves?If you don't want people to think that you believe in Satan then perhaps you shouldn't be calling yourself a "Satanist".
I'm being 100% serious when I ask you..who told you Satan was such a bad guy? Is it the bible you base this on?
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
There are some black and death metal bands that do just that. Behemoth for example.
Yeah but come on now..do you think they truly worship evil? I don't doubt they claim they do, but do you think these guys are honest to god evil? I just looked them up and I just can't help but laugh because the leader looks like a confused Matrix cosplayer.
He appears to also be wearing a pentagram necklace.
Originally posted by Star428Like I said, according to her. In Luciferian belief, Satan is God, BASICALLY.
LOL. I'm sorry but why would anyone trust someone who calls themselves a "Satanist"? To a Satanist, lying would be like breathing. Satan is the Prince of liars himself; so, why would people who say they're Satanists not be liars themselves?If you don't want people to think that you believe in Satan then perhaps you shouldn't be calling yourself a "Satanist".
In their belief, he has the same morality and goals as God does, and is more merciful as well.
From what she told me.
I have no reason not to believe her. Sure, if I see a roose, I'll probably cut off ties from her, but if she was lying, she must be a pretty good liar.
Originally posted by Jesus McBurger
Does being a Christian make you a good person
If you really are a true Christian and not just one in name only, then yes. Actually, to be more accurate, it's more like only good people ever become true Christians to begin with. Of course, Christians can slip up like anyone else and do bad things. Only Christ is perfect and uncorruptible... Oh, and Superman too, of course. 😉
Originally posted by Star428
If you really are a true Christian and not just one in name only, then yes. Actually, to be more accurate, it's more like only good people ever become true Christians to begin with. Of course, Christians can slip up like anyone else and do bad things. Only Christ is perfect and uncorruptible... Oh, and Superman too, of course. 😉
Edit: "incorruptible" not "uncorruptible", obviously. Way too late to edit.
Help me out here Star since you seem to be the Jesus expert. I'm trying to remember some of my Jesus stories from my younger days and need a few details fleshed out.
I'm thinking mainly of a story where Jesus is supposed to be like 12-13. For some reason his parents tell him not to go to a certain temple and he goes anyways. Do you know the story I speak of?
I guess I'll share the reason I was curious about that story. Jesus is told not to go to temple by his parents, he goes anyways. People say Jesus was perfect and yet if that is true he broke at least one of the 10 commandments. Since for me disobeying what your parents say to you is not honoring them.
Like I said thankfully it has been a long time since I've been in a religion class so I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Surtur
Help me out here Star since you seem to be the Jesus expert. I'm trying to remember some of my Jesus stories from my younger days and need a few details fleshed out.I'm thinking mainly of a story where Jesus is supposed to be like 12-13. For some reason his parents tell him not to go to a certain temple and he goes anyways. Do you know the story I speak of?
I'm not Star, who may well have you on "Ignore", but the story you refer to is in Luke 2:42-52. Far from forbidding Jesus anything, it would appear Joseph and Mary were unaware he had even actually left them.
42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
Originally posted by Surtur
Since for me disobeying what your parents say to you is not honoring them.
I'd say disobeying your parents to a greater end that ends up honoring them more hardly qualifies as a sin (against that particular comandment). He did not go against an explicit order of either of them either, at least not by the account given in the Gospels.