Resident Evil 6

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Horrific" is relative, so you really can't use that as a qualifier. Would Silent Hill not be considered survivor horror because there are people who play it that aren't scared by it at all?

Die Hard would be pretty horrific to some people? Is Die Hard a horror film?

Call of Duty's campaign would be pretty horrifying to some people, can Call of Duty ever be considered a horror game?

No, because of the way they're made. Compare and Contrast Resident Evil 5 and Resident Evil 4

In Resident Evil 4, it is only Leon, alone, in the village, with some radio backup. In Resident Evil 5, it is Chris and Sheva that are both linked to their HQ through headsets.

To set the mood in Resident Evil 4, you see one of the police officers from earlier impaled on a bonfire in the middle of the village. In Resident Evil 5, the informant is killed, but we are given a discretion shot.

The atmosphere in the village of RE4 is much more grim then the middle of the day city in RE5. The village is in a much worse state of repair, it is foggy, and this setting has never before been seen in the Resident Evil series.

In RE4, you are only spared by the ringing of the bell, which draws away the mob of people. In RE5, Chris and Sheva pretty much go on a killing spree until the helicopter arrives and kills the rest of the Majini.

RE5 is not designed to be a survival horror game, like RE4 could at least claim it could be. RE5 is an action movie, nothing more.

This is all relative though, which is my point.

"RE5 isn't survival horror because it's got co-op," Says who?

"RE5 isn't survival horror because certain gory scenes are edited out." Says who?

etc etc. It's all your opinion, and nothing more. Your entire post can be summed up as "RE5 wasn't survival horror because it wasn't that creepy to me". But you're you. What you find creepy or not creepy really doesn't mean anything, so to try to make an objective definition for the genre based upon your perceptions is inherently flawed.

So I can maintain that Super Mario 64 is a horror game?

Okie dokie

EDIT: Lol at your edit.

You can say that a red car is blue. Is God going to come down and bitchslap you for saying it? No.

So sure you can say Super Mario 64 is a horror game. No one would agree with you, though.

Or, you can create a definition for survival horror that isn't based upon personal bias, like I did, and be cool.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
You can say that a red car is blue. Is God going to come down and bitchslap you for saying it? No.

So sure you can say Super Mario 64 is a horror game. No one would agree with you, though.

Or, you can create a definition for survival horror that isn't based upon personal bias, like I did, and be cool.

So then would you call that Instance in WoW I mentioned earlier survival horror?

I don't know. Describe it to me. You said that it involved escaping an air ship surrounded by zombies. What were the zombies like, were they cartoonish? Did you have all your powers? What was the atmosphere within the airship like? Were there any suspenseful scenes?

etc.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I'm very curious about 6 player Co-op, but then I'm a sucker for co-op.

I'll be buying it for sure. And it can't get any less scary than RE5 so there's that.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
This is all relative though, which is my point.

"RE5 isn't survival horror because it's got co-op," Says who?

"RE5 isn't survival horror because certain gory scenes are edited out." Says who?

etc etc. It's all your opinion, and nothing more. Your entire post can be summed up as "RE5 wasn't survival horror because it wasn't that creepy to me". But you're you. What you find creepy or not creepy really doesn't mean anything, so to try to make an objective definition for the genre based upon your perceptions is inherently flawed.

Agreed. THis is all about opinion. RE5 was the first RE game I've ever played and that scene that was posted was very scary for me. Not only was it just the grunt zombies, but there was a huge axe wielder that followed you everywhere (or was it a hammer? Either way, doesn't matter) and absorbed a lot of ammo. I ended up holding up in the one destroyed car while unlimited amounts of zombies rushed me. I was SO thankful when the chopper came and blew everything up.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I wouldn't be so sure of that, to be honest.

I'm pretty sure it'll be scarier than RE 5 (although that's not saying much).

Originally posted by General G
Agreed. THis is all about opinion. RE5 was the first RE game I've ever played and that scene that was posted was very scary for me. Not only was it just the grunt zombies, but there was a huge axe wielder that followed you everywhere (or was it a hammer? Either way, doesn't matter) and absorbed a lot of ammo. I ended up holding up in the one destroyed car while unlimited amounts of zombies rushed me. I was SO thankful when the chopper came and blew everything up.

I had the same feeling with the village scene in Resident Evil 4. Having the chainsaw wielding dude chase me around the map while the villagers chanted and chased me freak the shit out of me.

There were countless of times where I was scared. It didn't look like the typical dark room "horror" staple of other games but the effect was the same.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I don't know. Describe it to me. You said that it involved escaping an air ship surrounded by zombies. What were the zombies like, were they cartoonish? Did you have all your powers? What was the atmosphere within the airship like? Were there any suspenseful scenes?

etc.

I said escaping on an airship, but regardless: you have to escape from some kind of caverns while being chased by the undead. You have to fight them off until the way to your escape is clear. The zombies and other undead are no more 'cartoonish' than the rest of WoW. Well of course you had all your powers, but then again, I don't remember being artificially handicapped in the RE5 village fight either. The atmosphere was all gloomy and all that, but really, comparing it to RE5 — a game that has no kind of horror atmosphere to it whatsoever — it's pretty good. Well yeah, it can get pretty damn suspenseful watching the Lich King slowly draw nearer as you desperately try to fight off his undead minions while watching your healer's mana plummet.

I would say that that sequence in WoW is certainly intended to be a tribute to the survival horror style.

The amount of personal opinion being presented as fact in here is ridiculous. Would RE4 be considered something other than survival horror in Germany, where much of the violent, gory content was censored out?

Is it impossible to have horror in daylight? Think of the horror movies that have managed to use daylight in ways to enhance the scares.

If co-op means that it can't be survival horror, then does that mean Outbreak wasn't a survival horror game? Because my friend, who has loved the RE series from the beginning, says that Outbreak is his favorite in the series in some ways.

RE5 was action-oriented, but was designed to be survival horror, just like RE4. You can claim personal dislike, but you can't claim that it factually is not something that it is.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
I would say that that sequence in WoW is certainly intended to be a tribute to the survival horror style.

The amount of personal opinion being presented as fact in here is ridiculous. Would RE4 be considered something other than survival horror in Germany, where much of the violent, gory content was censored out?

Is it impossible to have horror in daylight? Think of the horror movies that have managed to use daylight in ways to enhance the scares.

If co-op means that it can't be survival horror, then does that mean Outbreak wasn't a survival horror game? Because my friend, who has loved the RE series from the beginning, says that Outbreak is his favorite in the series in some ways.

RE5 was action-oriented, but was designed to be survival horror, just like RE4. You can claim personal dislike, but you can't claim that it factually is not something that it is.

A tribute? Perhaps. But who, in good faith, could call that fight survival horror? Or call anything that happens in WoW survival horror, for that matter? Even if it seemingly meets the criteria required to be called survival horror?

Unless I actually say so, I'm not trying to present anything as fact. Anything else means I'm presenting my opinion, even if it seems I feel strongly about it. I mean, yeah, it would still probably be considered survival horror despite Germany's craptastic laws.

No, certainly not impossible. But actually using daylight to enhance the scares? Well, maybe, I don't know. It could perhaps be used to enhance the horror aspect itself(horror =/= scares). Thinking about the School level in Silent Hill. The daylight at the end of it sure as hell didn't make me feel any less uneasy.

No, it certainly doesn't mean that. Co-op doesn't eliminate the horror aspect, but it virtually always diminishes it, and RE5 has oh so very, very little of it to begin with.

Well, I suppose I can't argue with the intentions of the developers, but I'll be damned if I don't point it out if the results turn out to be pathetic.

Alright now people, here's a little thought experiment for us all: imagine, say, four games. Those games are RE5, Amnesia, Penumbra, and Silent Hill. Now take out all the NPCs out of all these games and let the player just wander around the environments for a bit. Would you be even able to tell that RE5 was supposed to be survival horror? Say, the village part at the start of the game? I'm sure that in the case the latter three games, anyone would be able to almost instantaneously say what kind of a game it's supposed to be — survival horror.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Zombies, "spooky" atmosphere, dark city.

I'm pretty sure it'll be scarier than RE 5 (although that's not saying much).

Pretty much agree with what AG said.

I just think that RE5 is the same as RE4.

If you call RE4 survival horror then RE5 must be as well.

We can discuss how RE5 was made but the idea that RE5 was not designed as a survival horror game is wrong in my opinion. The developers clearly went out of their to create a horror like atmosphere for the game. Everything from the way the music is composed, to enemy types to scripted events.

RE5 is certainly a survival horror game.

It just wasn't a scary one, at all.

I would agree with that assessment as well.

Discussion that it wasn't scary at all is warranted but the idea that it wasn't created as a survival horror is not true.

Originally posted by Smasandian
I just think that RE5 is the same as RE4.

If you call RE4 survival horror then RE5 must be as well.

We can discuss how RE5 was made but the idea that RE5 was not designed as a survival horror game is wrong in my opinion. The developers clearly went out of their to create a horror like atmosphere for the game. Everything from the way the music is composed, to enemy types to scripted events.

Agreed.

The RE6 logo looks like a giraffe receiving a blowjob.

awermm

mmm

Cannot unsee.