Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Exceed what level of strength?I'd place Mangog above in strength any Hulk I've ever seen.
What I mentioned earlier about containing the explosion of Sakaar.
You do realize that an explosion capable of destroying the mass of object X is greater than the mass of object X itself right? I mean several times greater.
Originally posted by dmills
Why?
That's what I'm wondering.
still no feats, just Thor-love & rage.
I'm getting the feeling that all this is just to disguise the fact that Mangog did little more than wreck Thor's shit (which Rulk did, which Savage Hulk has done on occasion, when inclined) and the rest is just serious defensive posturing.
if you're going to posit some non-abstract character as being stronger than Hulk, I'd seriously hope for some evidence in the way of feats of said superior strength 😐.
Hulk's shaken off Rulk's best attacks, including Rulk's most determined attempt to energy drain him. something that Rulk did with ease against a lower form of Hulk. Banner/Hulk is now operating far more 'harmoniously' and as a result has none of the issues about ramping up the output, when necessary.
if people need reminding, Hulk's proved on occasions to be stronger than Thor, from opening bunker doors that Thor could not, to bracing mountain ranges whilst Thor could not.
that's in the past, with a significantly lower form, current Hulk would murder Thor so badly it wouldn't be funny. even the depiction of previous encounters just illustrates how little Savage Hulk was bothered, putting down Thor with his own hammer and then jumping away because Thor was done with. Savage Hulk was the last time it was possible to say that Thor might have possibly had some level of parity with Hulk, in overall power terms. yet Savage Hulk has long been eclipsed, as everyone has noted, by the Hulk of the last decade.
another point, their comparable performances with Juggernaut, without Thor resorting to magic to temporarily down the Juggernaut enchantment's connection to Cyttorak. Thor has been squashed and had his fabled mjolnir tanked by Juggernaut, every time. the only time Thor managed to bring Juggernaut to a halt (or close enough) was with a GodBlast.
WWH casually did that to a re-empowered Juggernaut, after being blind-sided, whilst fighting the X-Men. Hulk did that whilst informing Juggernaut that he had no interest in Juggernaut and that he had an agenda and a schedule. so at the very least he brings up enough force to match Thor's absolute best attack, against Juggernaut.
and again, to reiterate, current Hulk is even more powerful than that 😐.
Originally posted by janus77
sorry, that was a little hard to follow, who's as strong as a billion billion beings? and what sort of beings? how strong are they? a billion billion Woody Allens wouldn't really impress much...feats?
that's perfectly true, but as you say not really beyond comparing with Superman/Thor, so if it goes up a few orders (from (bns^2)*10lbs to (bns^2)*10tons) that still leaves him in a very much quantifiable range.
this of course in comparison to Hulk who is always stated to have upper bounds beyond measure (infinite according to The Leader, Sampson, Beyonder ...) and is frequently showing on-panel evidence that said hyperbole may have some grounding in 'fact'.
so an exceedingly large number versus something beyond measure. given what's been said so far.
I could do with some clarification on this, who made the measurement? what beings did they refer to.
I'm sure I could be wrong about this, these are just characters designed to progress narratives and not some fundamental laws beyond such considerations, but as usual certain people are more inclined to make repeated statements of the kind "x would murder y, how can you even doubt this? when x is so much stronger than y" or "I hate y, therefore it's reasonable to say x easily murders y and is in every way superior to y for the purposes of this battle" when that 'y' happens to be Hulk ...
Originally posted by janus77
that's perfectly true, but as you say not really beyond comparing with Superman/Thor, so if it goes up a few orders (from (bns^2)*10lbs to (bns^2)*10tons) that still leaves him in a very much quantifiable range.this of course in comparison to Hulk who is always stated to have upper bounds beyond measure (infinite according to The Leader, Sampson, Beyonder ...) and is frequently showing on-panel evidence that said hyperbole may have some grounding in 'fact'.
so an exceedingly large number versus something beyond measure. given what's been said so far.
I could do with some clarification on this, who made the measurement? what beings did they refer to.
I'm sure I could be wrong about this, these are just characters designed to progress narratives and not some fundamental laws beyond such considerations, but as usual certain people are more inclined to make repeated statements of the kind "x would murder y, how can you even doubt this? when x is so much stronger than y" or "I hate y, therefore it's reasonable to say x easily murders y and is in every way superior to y for the purposes of this battle" when that 'y' happens to be Hulk ...
Originally posted by darthgooberlol, yeah I'd seen Sleepers recently so he was on my mind (along with how hot a young Diane Keaton was!).
Oh don't think I'm trying to lend too much credit to what's almost certainly hyperbole, I'm just high enough that I couldn't stop thinking about how strong a billion billion Woody Allens would be and felt like sharing when I finally got an idea 😂 .
I was tempted to express the figure (H1... style) for a billion billion Asgardians, then I remembered H1... and realised it wasn't worth it.
off topic but, a billion billion Woody Allens versus Hulk? if Woody used all his powers including synchronised neurosis inspired monologues? I think I'd have to concede that battle.
further off-topic, I'm getting images of Woody Allen soaring the "spaceways" on a silver surfboard, wearing socks!
Originally posted by janus77
Hulk has mullered Rulk, who more or less could have killed OF Thor.
Hulk stopped Juggernaut without much effort, it took Thor a Godblast to achieve that.Hulk is more powerful than an all out, crazy Sentry.
Quoted for truth. Haters can't deal with that.
Hulk beat Sentry (all out), Thor and Rulk. Who can replicate that ? No one...
Originally posted by FearOfBlood
He destroyed Thor in Hulk, Let The Battle Begin.
Thanos fears the Hulk BTW and Thanos never beat Thor who's his superior.Hulk > Mangog > Thor > Thanos.
Thanos would murder Thor quicker than Hulk does. he's far more versatile, ruthless and has much better durability showings (taking all that Odin could dish out and still coming back for more).
Originally posted by FearOfBlood
Quoted for truth. Haters can't deal with that.Hulk beat Sentry (all out), Thor and Rulk. Who can replicate that ? No one...
imo a well written Surfer should best Sentry, Rulk and Thor. he has the attributes to siphon off Rulk's energies, to over power Thor and to out think and manoeuvre Sentry. Thanos also would dispatch the three (maybe even any two of them together).
there are plenty of characters, in short, that would get the job done.
Originally posted by janus77
come to think of it, Galactus has never beaten Thor either... hmm... 😕Thanos would murder Thor quicker than Hulk does. he's far more versatile, ruthless and has much better durability showings (taking all that Odin could dish out and still coming back for more).
With the difference that Thor and Thanos fought more than once.
Janus i respect you! 😄
How can you debate with these haters 😂 ?
easy, it's just comics. I like reading comics, I'm not ashamed to enjoy the escapism and the opportunity to create hypothetical extrapolations from the 'evidence' provided. it's quite fun, so long as people don't descend to emotional outbursts and irrational rigidity of thought...
Hulk's a really good piece of escapism, I often wonder at what it is about the character/situation that caught my eye as a child... I think it's that feeling of honesty in The Hulk's actions, no guile, disguise, cunning ... just confidence to be himself. then the persecution thing, 'cause you know it happens to others (was a bit of a bully at school) and it's not right but if people don't stand up, you don't respect them ever ... Hulk stood up, he frightened them, yet he never provoked nor instigated...
Originally posted by FearOfBlood
Not, really. I talk about comics, not fan-fiction.Actually, only The Hulk has a clear victory over:
- Sentry
- Thor
- RulkI'm waiting for others.
I don't think there is an argument for claiming that others couldn't do it, just that they haven't.
anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, I could well be wrong 🙂