Originally posted by iceman24567
He's actually bringing up a good defense though 😐
He also brings up a lot of woulda shoulda couldas in regards to their "implied" and "stated" powers.
That is in no way a "good defense".
I think Wonder Woman's susceptibility to piercing damage would be relevant to whether Shinigami can cut her, despite her resistance to blunt force trauma.
No one's brought up cutting through her Chain of Fate, yet, but as far as I can tell that would only cause her to become a Hollow - although she would technically "die" in the process. Soul Sleep only works on Shinigami.
Originally posted by Q99What's hard to understand here?
Except one, she has an artifact of absolute truth that breaks illusions. Fight's still on.
Originally posted by Q99
Two, she's immortal and immune to even extremely powerful aging effects, fight's still on.
Originally posted by Q99Uh no.. one again, Tosen can one shot her and the only way she'll be able to know that he's doing so is after it's already happened.. She's F'd
Three, she has fought Flash and Zoom on touch alone in the past. Fight's still on.
Originally posted by Q99Only because you've deluded yourself into thinking that apples are oranges.
So not only is she not badly outmatched, but those three particular abilities will have little effect at all against Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by Q99As Carver already posed, who does she fight at lightspeed? Flash examples withstanding.
Keep in mind she's both faster (fights with people who move near lightspeed, not a handful mach like the shinigami) and much more physically powerful, with great defense to boot. They won't keep her at bay for long at all.
Do I seriously need to remind you of how many times mere humans, amazons, and bricks/monsters have tagged Diana... and easily? Or that such an occurance is not only NOT a low showing but a typical one?
She's not a "FTL" fighter and anyone going around here trying to claim otherwise can basically kiss their credability goodbye..
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, it actually is. WW's taken more.
Originally posted by Q99I've read through her first several volumes of comics even the shitacular non-powered version... just as I've read through most of this ridiculous thread and I'm sorry but a "nu-uh" argument from Wonder Woman fanboys does not satisfy me as an adequate counter.
Uh, I think you're just not very familiar with her. Several of those points have been specifically discussed earlier in the thread, so it may be worthwhile to read what's been posted before.Wonder Woman's a high-herald level character with a regular collection of very high level feats.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think Wonder Woman's susceptibility to piercing damage would be relevant to whether Shinigami can cut her, despite her resistance to blunt force trauma.
They can probably cut her, but not very deeply, she's still super-tough and has taken lots of cutting damage on many occasions (Arch enemy, see Cheetah, powers: Class 100 Strength + Cutting Attack + near-Flash speed. Has also fought other gods and demi-gods with slicing weapons on multiple occasions). Cuts on her close fairly fast too.
It's hardly a win just to have a cutting attack of that level or anything.
No one's brought up cutting through her Chain of Fate, yet, but as far as I can tell that would only cause her to become a Hollow - although she would technically "die" in the process. Soul Sleep only works on Shinigami.
Her soul's rather unusual though- it's directly connected to her lasso which in turn protects it, and she's sorta a spirit possessing a clay body to begin with.
Also, in order to cut one's Chain of Fate, you have to do what would otherwise be a conventionally fatal blow anyway, which isn't too likely.
Originally posted by NemeBroI thought the Chain of Fate binds the soul of a living human to their body.
Wonder Woman does not have a Chain of Fate though. 😐And when the hell has anyone shown to cut the Chain of Fate of a living human?
And in-universe abilities transcend into the neutral battlefield, but I don't know whether that applies in this instant.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
His argument relies on the false presumption that Wonder Woman has no defense against the Bleach characters' attacks.He also brings up a lot of woulda shoulda couldas in regards to their "implied" and "stated" powers.
That is in no way a "good defense".
🤨
There's no false presumption here other than Wonder Woman supporters giving her the benefit of the doubt against Bleach capibilities for no good reason.
If you think ignoring stated abilities is a better defense... well... 🙄
Originally posted by Omega VisionI thought he was talking to jinzin there.
His argument relies on the false presumption that Wonder Woman has no defense against the Bleach characters' attacks.He also brings up a lot of woulda shoulda couldas in regards to their "implied" and "stated" powers.
That is in no way a "good defense".
Originally posted by Q99I would say that an attack by a Captain class Shinigami would inflict moderate wounds should it land, if the air pressure from a swing can slice through buildings etc.
They can probably cut her, but not very deeply, she's still super-tough and has taken lots of cutting damage on many occasions (Arch enemy, see Cheetah, powers: Class 100 Strength + Cutting Attack + near-Flash speed. Has also fought other gods and demi-gods with slicing weapons on multiple occasions). Cuts on her close fairly fast too.It's hardly a win just to have a cutting attack of that level or anything.
But then her Demeter granted healing would probably cope, should any swings actually land.
I still see WW winning, but it does feel a bit like the Bleach characters are being downplayed a bit.
Originally posted by jinzinIt would get complicated then. If Wonder Woman has a Chain of Fate, does she also have Reiatsu, what level would her reiatsu be at... and so on.
Why wouldn't it?
What's hard to understand here?
She won't have a chance to use it because she'll already be under the power of his ability. She's been caught up in illusions before... Even if she thinks she's defending herself that's not what's really happening...
Except her lasso breaks her of them quickly, it's pretty much auto-defense. She also has the Eyes of Athena which makes notices them far easier.
Illusions like Dr. Psycho's, she barely even notices when they're active any more she's so resilient, even before the lasso.
Uhhh NO.... The captains are beings that live agelessly for hundreds of years.. this did NOT matter in comparison to Barragans powers.. get over it
But she is flat-out immortal and will never age or die of age, ever, and has ignored abilities by Nekron.
Wonder Woman does not have a death from age period, unlike the captains. That's the difference. This was covered with scans.
Uh no.. one again, Tosen can one shot her and the only way she'll be able to know that he's doing so is after it's already happened.. She's F'd
Nope. Flash and Zoom didn't manage, and they're far faster than Tosen, Zoom's punches have enough momentum to make them hurt more than Superman's too.
Tosen most assuredly does not have the firepower to one-shot her, she's taken hits from much stronger, and again the sense thing is not crippling to her.
As Carver already posed, who does she fight at lightspeed? Flash examples withstanding.
Superman, Cheetah.
However, I'm not saying that she'll fight at max speed and lightspeed blitz them.
I'm simply saying they won't be able to blitz her with their speed.
Blunt force, heat and energy? Sure. As what I've described... No...
And cutting from class 100+ foes on multiple occasions, including two of her most common enemies. Ares uses bladed weapons, and there's no Bleach character who's stronger than him.
So yes, exactly that and more.
Originally posted by jinzin
🤨There's no false presumption here other than Wonder Woman supporters giving her the benefit of the doubt against Bleach capibilities for no good reason.
No, there's good reason. Direct examples of when she's resisted or been flat out immune to similar abilities have been brought up.
Again, you might wanna read through the thread.
If you think ignoring stated abilities is a better defense... well... 🙄
That's not what's happening 🙂
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I would say that an attack by a Captain class Shinigami would inflict moderate wounds should it land, if the air pressure from a swing can slice through buildings etc.But then her Demeter granted healing would probably cope, should any swings actually land.
I still see WW winning, but it does feel a bit like the Bleach characters are being downplayed a bit. It would get complicated then. If Wonder Woman has a Chain of Fate, does she also have Reiatsu, what level would her reiatsu be at... and so on.
All I can think on that is that everyone who had Reiatsu and Reiatsu related abilities did so as either a Shinigami, a Hollow, or someone who had been exposed to them in some way.
You don't have to have mass Reiatsu to have a Soul Chain....
She can be cut right? hurt by bullets too... I can't imagine that it's very high. 😬
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWhich would be inside of Diana. 😐
I thought the Chain of Fate binds the soul of a living human to their body.And in-universe abilities transcend into the neutral battlefield, but I don't know whether that applies in this instant.
Chains of Fate have never even been mentioned when discussing living people, in fact if I recall right it was only been mentioned when discussing dead characters.
Originally posted by jinzinI was just taking another in-world concept and applying it. Applying one, should lead to application of others.
All I can think on that is that everyone who had Reiatsu and Reiatsu related abilities did so as either a Shinigami, a Hollow, or someone who had been exposed to them in some way.You don't have to have mass Reiatsu to have a Soul Chain....
She can be cut right? hurt by bullets too... I can't imagine that it's very high. 😬
As far as I'm aware, all characters in-world have some level of spiritual energy, and when it's used it's referred to as reiatsu.
That she can be cut or hurt by bullets, is due to her in-world susceptibility, and would have no bearing on whatever level of spiritual energy she possesses.
She's a herald level character, granted powers by the gods.
Originally posted by NemeBroIt's been literal years since I started watching/reading this series, so I'm looking this up on the fly. But from what I can find, the severing of Ichigo's Chain of Fate is what began his Hollowification.
Which would be inside of Diana. 😐Chains of Fate have never even been mentioned when discussing living people, in fact if I recall right it was only been mentioned when discussing dead characters.
Was his Soul out of his body when this happened?
If so then I suppose the Chain of Fate can largely be disregarded.
Originally posted by jinzin
She can be cut right? hurt by bullets too... I can't imagine that it's very high. 😬
Most of the time bullets hurt her in the same sense that snapped rubber bands hurt you. That is, they sting but cause no damage, there are scans of her being sprayed with automatic gun fire to no injury.
In order to cut her, the blade has to be enchanted or wielded by a superhumanly strong person, and even then it'll just cause wound but be unlikely to kill her. There's a recent story when an arrow fired by an Amazon cuts her and she's surprised before she notes it's god-forged. Also I'll note her bones have shown no particular vulnerability to cutting, merely her skin is easier to cut than others of her general toughness level.
Wonder Woman has taken cutting wounds from superhumans who are stronger than the Bleach characters on many occasions.
Wonder Woman is not going to be one-shotted by anything they thrown.
That's not getting into her bracers of course, Diana is good at blocking/deflecting attacks too.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's been literal years since I started watching/reading this series, so I'm looking this up on the fly. But from what I can find, the severing of Ichigo's Chain of Fate is what began his Hollowification.Was his Soul out of his body when this happened?
Yes, Urahara had pushed him outside his body for training first.
Originally posted by Q99
Except her lasso breaks her of them quickly, it's pretty much auto-defense. She also has the Eyes of Athena which makes notices them far easier.Illusions like Dr. Psycho's, she barely even notices when they're active any more she's so resilient, even before the lasso.
She has a built up immunity to some people and not others. Her ability to resist hypnosis as always been a point to her will... and she won't even know that's what he's doing... He doesn't just cast illusions he creates complete hypnosis.
Originally posted by Q99
But she is flat-out immortal and will never age or die of age, ever, and has ignored abilities by Nekron.Wonder Woman does not have a death from age period, unlike the captains. That's the difference. This was covered with scans.
Where does it say the captain are due to die of old age? 😕
They're spirits already passed over to the other side... His abilities made no distinction there..
Originally posted by Q99
Nope. Flash and Zoom didn't manage, and they're far faster than Tosen, Zoom's punches have enough momentum to make them hurt more than Superman's too.
Originally posted by Q99
Tosen most assuredly does not have the firepower to one-shot her, she's taken hits from much stronger, and again the sense thing is not crippling to her.
Originally posted by Q99
Superman, Cheetah.However, I'm not saying that she'll fight at max speed and lightspeed blitz them.
She's never "fought" at FTL... 😐
Originally posted by Q99Likewise... Speed isn't a mass determining factor here... Again it's what compounded on top of that.
I'm simply saying they won't be able to blitz her with their speed.
Originally posted by Q99She's had to dodge arrows for fear of being impaled by them... she's been staggered by bullets.. her "thing" is to block bullets instead of tank them...
And cutting from class 100+ foes on multiple occasions, including two of her most common enemies. Ares uses bladed weapons, and there's no Bleach character who's stronger than him.
Originally posted by Q99
No, there's good reason. Direct examples of when she's resisted or been flat out immune to similar abilities have been brought up.Again, you might wanna read through the thread.
That's not what's happening 🙂
Again more apples and oranges bullshit..
It all comes down to lowballing Bleach and making out WW to be > Superman... Which is a nonsense argument for a character who's had problems tackling the US military. 😐
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIt does have a barring on it though... I mean Kenpachi flat out stated and then physically proved they were directly related. 😬
I was just taking another in-world concept and applying it. Applying one, should lead to application of others.As far as I'm aware, all characters in-world have some level of spiritual energy, and when it's used it's referred to as reiatsu.
That she can be cut or hurt by bullets, is due to her in-world susceptibility, and would have no bearing on whatever level of spiritual energy she possesses.
She's a herald level character, granted powers by the gods.