Originally posted by Burning thoughtSo you ignore the damage he took prior to by Riordan and the arrows and the entire battle which left him in that weakened condition ? That's called context, sport.
They would side with the canon of the game, e.g. the Archdemon was killed by a few Grey Wardens, primarily one. Your "common sense" does not exist, your just using the gameplay mechanics.😆 I showed you a vid of my claims, the only evidence so far and I apprently dont back up my claims? 🙄 youve got nothing backing up yours at all. And a cannon is quantifiable, look them up here if you dont have any idea what a cannon is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon
If my intend was to wound someone yet I stabbed them with a knife and it bounced off then my intent is irrelevant because my stab was completly repelled, I reverse that on you. You dont understand the games, how a games vs debate goes which is worse because you cant debate in the first place and then you smother your daft statements by the fact [b]you have no evidence
.I would not guess, its nobodies place to just "guess". Thats what your trying to do, but its not good enough is it....we can only deduct that their not numerous, as their major holdings were taken over by Demons.
A cannon as a weapon would be, because fire is not a piercing shot of PSI and lightning rarely actually kills people compared to guns 😉
Why would I attempt to prove anything more? youve not proven a single thing, I have at least one piece of evidence that wins this argument for me by itself. Its your turn to provide "something" at least.
You dont have any clue about Kain or most of the LoK universe, and I wouldnt claim he can beat the LT, but then I would not claim the featless Archdemon is a match for Kain, Ganondorf or much of anything either, you would 🙂
Erm no you shouldnt, you should just give me evidence like I am asking for chuckles, you cant sit there asking for evidence but giving none. post a source or a video or gtfo of this thread with your fanboyish nonsense. [/B]
I played the game so I didn't need proof of that. You denied his intent which means everything in a battle. If someone is holding back and trying to kill by any means the force applied is therefore different in both scenarios. This is elementary common sense but to you intent doesn't matter.
Raziel didn't ever try to to rip his heart out until possessed by a Hylden and then he easily did so. That's the point. Raziel usually held back even against a possessed Janos despite battling him. I mean show an actual knowledge of the character I seem to know a lot more about than you could ever dream possible.
So you played the game and won't even venture a guess ? I knew you couldn't think on your own but come on this is getting a tad ridiculous.
That's not the point and lightning does kill it depends on the lightning and the power of the shot. Which do you think is more powerful lightning or a cannon ?
I already proved Kain can get his heart ripped out and that he can't dodge any spells making him easy pickens. Counter that please.
I know more about Kain than you because you won't even man up and take a bet concerning kain characters. I will try to contact her and you better believe it when she answers I am going to rub it in your face when she says your wrong.
How is the archdemon featless when we see him wreaking havoc in video. You played the game so tell me exactly what I lied about. If you played the game why post a video ?
Originally posted by NemeBro1.Riordan didn't have long before the taint claimed him and he forced the archdemon into being temporarily grounded and prevented long distance flight. So why wait to die exactly ? I mean did you understand how important his actions were ?
1. Please be a sweety and point out where I ever said Riordan was not a stupid man. Riordan was killed by stupidity and gravity. 🙂Oh it was, but it also had trouble doing so. Apparently the Archdemon is a big enough pussy to have trouble shaking off a mortal man. What a raging *****.
You mean those normal warriors who pierced him with their normal arrows? Punk-ass ***** cannot fight the heroes alone, needs an army.
You have a small army yes. The Archdemon has a nigh-limitless army of Darkspawn. The Darkspawn outnumbered you by a considerable amount, and yet the Archdemon still died. What an incompetent loser.
You missed the part where you had to fight through a city of Darkspawn to even get to him. Friggin pussy was hiding. 🙂
The archdemon did shake him off and killed him. Unlike Dorf he beat one grey warden whereas Dorf was impaled by someone with a month's worth of experience.
Pierced yes but died yes. Dorf was impaled both times someone used a sword against him. That's not impressive by any means. Archdemon kills whereas Dorf took out one guy in tp. What a badass.
So Link didn't have to fight through enemies to get to dorf. Do you have any knowledge of video games ? You do realize this happens all the time but rarely do you have armies at your disposal because he's that powerful. Dorf requires a young kid with a few weeks worth of training and he's neutralized.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Pierced yes but died yes. Dorf was impaled both times someone used a sword against him. That's not impressive by any means. Archdemon kills whereas Dorf took out one guy in tp. What a badass.
I just want to point out that the Archdemon was impaled both times someone used a sword against him. That's not impressive by any means. Ganondorf takes over a country while Archdemon kills. What a badass.
Originally posted by The ScenarioArchdemon was beaten after a lengthy battle and by taking damage beforehand whereas Dorf was beaten twice and impaled in both events. Dorf isn't taking on the forces Archdemon spits out and if Riordan had done the damage to dorf he'd be sitting there hoping the tirforce saved him yet again.
I just want to point out that the Archdemon was impaled both times someone used a sword against him. That's not impressive by any means. Ganondorf takes over a country while Archdemon kills. What a badass.
Originally posted by NephthysHe didn't laugh he sat there motionless then when the power kicked in he laughed it off. If they would have moved before so they could have killed him.
You did notice that the first time Ganon was impaled he laughed and tore the sword right out of his chest, right? And then he was only beaten by the Master Sword aka The Plot Sword.
The second time it failed but both times did he sit there defenseless while his enemies looked on.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Archdemon was beaten after a lengthy battle and by taking damage beforehand whereas Dorf was beaten twice and impaled in both events. Dorf isn't taking on the forces Archdemon spits out and if Riordan had done the damage to dorf he'd be sitting there hoping the tirforce saved him yet again.
That's just ridiculous. You're honestly claiming that Archdemon is better because he has a lengthy battle? If you don't remember, Ganondorf's battle had four parts, and he was only impaled after four lengthy battles. If Riordan had attacked Ganondorf, he'd probably fail to do any damage at all.
Why am I even here? Ganondorf isn't in this thread. Oh, well.
He didn't laugh he sat there motionless then when the power kicked in he laughed it off.
Oh, I wasn't aware that we only used characters when they were at their weakest. Well I guess then the Archdemon has some chance against him. The real Ganondorf is nigh unkillable though. You know, the one who shrugged off a sword to the chest like a bad cough.
Originally posted by NephthysHe didn't shrug it off that easily and secondly it killed him the second time around. Archdemon took a sword down his back and took on four badass party members whereas Dorf sat there at his opponents mercy and got beat as soon as he showed up both times and rather easily.
Oh, I wasn't aware that we only used characters when they were at their weakest. Well I guess then the Archdemon has some chance against him. The real Ganondorf is nigh unkillable though. You know, the one who shrugged off a sword to the chest like a bad cough.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't shrug it off that easily and secondly it killed him the second time around. Archdemon took a sword down his back and took on four badass party members whereas Dorf sat there at his opponents mercy and got beat as soon as he showed up both times and rather easily.
After he got his power, he literally laughed at the sword and pulled it out unharmed. You cannot use his unpowered form as a baseline, because that isn't how he usually is. And once again, the Master Sword is magically imbued with the power to damage Ganondorf, and he's only impaled after four different fight. Four battles is not what I call easily.
Originally posted by The ScenarioYes, he did so after it gave him the necessary power after they stood there. He was impaled before and prior too. We have never seen a sword bounce off of him so you can't suggest something that's never occurred don't be ridiculous.
After he got his power, he literally laughed at the sword and pulled it out unharmed. You cannot use his unpowered form as a baseline, because that isn't how he usually is. And once again, the Master Sword is magically imbued with the power to damage Ganondorf, and he's only impaled after four different fight. Four battles is not what I call easily.
Dorf was beaten while in another form and with the aid of a horse. he got beaten every which way by an experienced opponent.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you ignore the damage he took prior to by Riordan and the arrows and the entire battle which left him in that weakened condition ? That's called context, sport.I played the game so I didn't need proof of that. You denied his intent which means everything in a battle. If someone is holding back and trying to kill by any means the force applied is therefore different in both scenarios. This is elementary common sense but to you intent doesn't matter.
Raziel didn't ever try to to rip his heart out until possessed by a Hylden and then he easily did so. That's the point. Raziel usually held back even against a possessed Janos despite battling him. I mean show an actual knowledge of the character I seem to know a lot more about than you could ever dream possible.
So you played the game and won't even venture a guess ? I knew you couldn't think on your own but come on this is getting a tad ridiculous.
That's not the point and lightning does kill it depends on the lightning and the power of the shot. Which do you think is more powerful lightning or a cannon ?
I already proved Kain can get his heart ripped out and that he can't dodge any spells making him easy pickens. Counter that please.
I know more about Kain than you because you won't even man up and take a bet concerning kain characters. I will try to contact her and you better believe it when she answers I am going to rub it in your face when she says your wrong.
How is the archdemon featless when we see him wreaking havoc in video. You played the game so tell me exactly what I lied about. If you played the game why post a video ?
Your talking about gameplay, we dont have any canon knowledge on what went on beforehand. We only know he got peppered with human arrows, and that 4 heroes, at least 1 grey Warden defeated him. As the cutscenes display, nothing impressive here.
Yes you do, because you are clueless and act like it never happened. Just like how you need proof if you belive i dont realise something important happened. Raziel was not holding back, theres not a single reason you can belive that and furthermore you can see him strike Kain, you cant take away PSI force from the edge of a blade.
Raziel had never actually hit Kain with the reaver before then either, or battered him to weakness. According to you your holding back unless you try to take someones heart? 🙄 , nah, Kains deflected without harm more force than anywhere in Ferelden. You are full of ignorance my boy, full of it.
This is where debating takes a crooked turn for you, you think you can pull numbers out of your ass and guess when we want facts. Not your nonsense, especially illogical nonsense.
Cannons, guns have killed more people in the hundreds than lightning. Wait for a lightning storm over a battlefield if you like, but I would wager that my men decked out in heavy armour and cannons could take more life than thunder.
Youve not proven anything because your statements are not proof and Kains faster than anyone in fereldon so you have no claim against him not being able to escape/dodge AND he can kill them all before their casts release anyway.
That doesnt even make sense, me taking a bet is nothing to do with knowledge. You blabbering about Kain as if what he does in various chronologies or if context had no canon footing in the events is ridiculous. You better make me belive it, you better post proof thats so belivable that I could never deny it as some random poster youve asked to contact you under her name 😉 you wont be able to do it.
We see him throwing a few men, more than one person has laughed at your "wreaking havoc" nonsense. Ive played the game but apprently you have played Legacy of Kain yet you show unbelievable ignorance and mess up the storyline, hence why I have to show you something. its called evidence which is something you have to provide even if you think I have seen it.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtHe didn't just get peppered with arrows he got sword slashed all over his body from Riordan. He took a lot of damage and he still needs to be weakened so that is canon you can't just run up and kill him use your head.
Your talking about gameplay, we dont have any canon knowledge on what went on beforehand. We only know he got peppered with human arrows, and that 4 heroes, at least 1 grey Warden defeated him. As the cutscenes display, nothing impressive here.Yes you do, because you are clueless and act like it never happened. Just like how you need proof if you belive i dont realise something important happened. Raziel was not holding back, theres not a single reason you can belive that and furthermore you can see him strike Kain, you cant take away PSI force from the edge of a blade.
Raziel had never actually hit Kain with the reaver before then either, or battered him to weakness. According to you your holding back unless you try to take someones heart? 🙄 , nah, Kains deflected without harm more force than anywhere in Ferelden. You are full of ignorance my boy, full of it.
This is where debating takes a crooked turn for you, you think you can pull numbers out of your ass and guess when we want facts. Not your nonsense, especially illogical nonsense.
Cannons, guns have killed more people in the hundreds than lightning. Wait for a lightning storm over a battlefield if you like, but I would wager that my men decked out in heavy armour and cannons could take more life than thunder.
Youve [b]not proven anything because your statements are not proof
and Kains faster than anyone in fereldon so you have no claim against him not being able to escape/dodge AND he can kill them all before their casts release anyway.That doesnt even make sense, me taking a bet is nothing to do with knowledge. You blabbering about Kain as if what he does in various chronologies or if context had no canon footing in the events is ridiculous. You better make me belive it, you better post proof thats so belivable that I could never deny it as some random poster youve asked to contact you under her name 😉 you wont be able to do it.
We see him throwing a few men, more than one person has laughed at your "wreaking havoc" nonsense. Ive played the game but apprently you have played Legacy of Kain yet you show unbelievable ignorance and mess up the storyline, hence why I have to show you something. its called evidence which is something you have to provide even if you think I have seen it. [/B]
Raziel wasn't trying to kill Kain until he was possessed because he always sought answers and wasn't quick to bloodshed. Do you even understand who Raziel was or get the character at all ?
Kain was battered to weakness and him holding back while Raziel wasn't cost him his heart. I understand these characters unlike you.
How many mages were there then ? Take an educated guess.
Kain is fast but the mages can't miss so he is screwed his speed doesn't matter.
My point is she will back up Kain not being able to solo armies because it's ridiculous and makes you a huge fanboy.
When has Kain dominated mini forces like the Archdemon has ?
Gameplay mechanic isn't relevant here. The fact that they can't miss in the game doesn't mean anything in a vs fight. That's like saying the mages could hit Thanos or Galactus regardless of how fast they were traveling. Hell they'd even hit Sentry and Sonic.
His "Weakness" was slowly winning Raziel over actually and he was at least up for listening to him near the end but he chalked it all up to BS when he felt Vae Victus draining him.
Also Riordan didn't use any special blade or powers, he simply slashed and cut him and then balista arrows were able to stun and harm it. It's durability is horrible and Kain would cleave right through the Archdemon regardless if someone hurt it or not prior to their fight.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixThey'd have to move behind an object or use a power that negated something or a forcefield that prevents it. You can't just say their attacks miss when it's clear in the game if not interrupted by an attack or hit by something in the environment they don't miss.
Gameplay mechanic isn't relevant here. The fact that they can't miss in the game doesn't mean anything in a vs fight. That's like saying the mages could hit Thanos or Galactus regardless of how fast they were traveling. Hell they'd even hit Sentry and Sonic.His "Weakness" was slowly winning Raziel over actually and he was at least up for listening to him near the end but he chalked it all up to BS when he felt Vae Victus draining him.
Also Riordan didn't use any special blade or powers, he simply slashed and cut him and then balista arrows were able to stun and harm it. It's durability is horrible and Kain would cleave right through the Archdemon regardless if someone hurt it or not prior to their fight.
What weakness ? My point was that Raziel still had the power and strength in his claws to rip out his heart. Not saying he can do it when he wants to but if he gets the opportunity he does have the strength to pull it off.