Dragonage v.s. LoK

Originally posted by Burning thought
No it doesnt, he does not even flee, did you play the games? he escaped a battle, BO1 Kain this is, not current Kain so the point is moot. I am not even sure if Kain meant to be teleported, but throughout the battle against the Nemesis' armies Kain comments on how hes ripping through "hordes" and drinking the blood of groups of soldiers who attack him even after King Ottomars army had fled. No, I dont mistake anything because I did not say him taking on small numbers=an army. Your ignorant to the game, replay it.

You did not counter my points, just spammed your last one. Counter or gtfo of this thread.

If the aim of this thread was to make the most daft number of unbacked claims then yes you dominate, but considering the point is to make backed arguments you fail miserably. Go and prove the strength of Ogres and Golems.

Delusions? reality? I have two respect threads, one for each Raziel and Kain that prove with video evidence from the games that he and kain see Fereldon as jokes.

Why are you so scared of getting the evidence in the first place?

Clearly your not aware of it otherwise you would realise Kain cannot be harmed by men tapping at him uselessly with their weapons.

In the first one he battled the army, he left through time streaming device which I wonder if it was an accident. He got beaten by the Sarafan lord, not the army. You also have no understanding of the Lok chronology, your talking as if Blood omen 1 and 2 Kain, is the same as current Kain.

The only logic is coming from me, unlike you.

Bo1 and bo2 is the same Kain just older so it gives us an idea of what he does when faced with an army. Common sense says without one he knows he stands zero chance so he flees and he used one against Hylden Lord and still lost. Hahahahahaha.

I don't need to replay it you need to take your own advice.

Which point have I failed to counter ? Answer the question please quit avoiding actual specifics.

If you play the game you'd realize they can easily tear apart humans which is around Kain level strength. If you play lok you can see any human can hurt Kain and there's no examples of anyone being not strong enough to hurt Kain despite your delusions of grandeur.

What in the games suggests they view ferelden as a joke ?

What evidence have I misrepresented ? You played the game so call me on something already but you cannot because I am right.

When in the game has Kain ever resisted a sword or been unable to be affected by someone due to them being not strong enough to hurt him with a sword ?

Yes, one guy beat him imagine if he had his army along with himself it just took one guy. You just totally destroyed your own argument. One guy brutalized Kain.

Laughs.

Kains a coward despite fighting as part of a legion/horde? nah, and its not just terminology considering escaping a battle was not even necesserily his plan, we only know if he intended to escape its nothing to do with cowardice but tactics. He fought against far more than the Archdemon has ever done, and this is weak Kain.

Just older? you think the only difference between the two is that one is just older? 😆 go replay the damn games.

You did not counter how Kain was beaten, weakened and slashed by the wraith blade before Raziel attacked, you did not counter the FMV which shows Kain standing unharmed by Raziel at full strength, vs Kain at full strength.

No, [b[I said prove the point[/b] dont just make a claim. 😆 Kains on the same strength level as a human? or a golem? unbelivable, its almost like you ignore actual evidence constantly. You forget Raziel, and no human in canon has hurt Soul reaver era Kain.

The fact their strength and durability are so beyond the whole fereldon its funny.

Raziel, again...watch evidence, its the only piece in the thread and you still miss it.

Yeh, ignore context why dont you, your claiming that the Sarafan lord is no stronger or has no more advantages than a normal human being? 😆 you forget the Nexus stone, the fact he was an inhuman and ancient vampire enemy (Hylden) wielding their magic.....you have to replay the LoK games

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kains a coward despite fighting as part of a legion/horde? nah, and its not just terminology considering escaping a battle was not even necesserily his plan, we only know if he intended to escape its nothing to do with cowardice but tactics. He fought against far more than the Archdemon has ever done, and this is weak Kain.

Just older? you think the only difference between the two is that one is just older? 😆 go replay the damn games.

You did not counter how Kain was beaten, weakened and slashed by the wraith blade before Raziel attacked, you did not counter the FMV which shows Kain standing unharmed by Raziel at full strength, vs Kain at full strength.

No, [b[I said prove the point dont just make a claim. 😆 Kains on the same strength level as a human? or a golem? unbelivable, its almost like you ignore actual evidence constantly. You forget Raziel, and no human in canon has hurt Soul reaver era Kain.

The fact their strength and durability are so beyond the whole fereldon its funny.

Raziel, again...watch evidence, its the only piece in the thread and you still miss it.

Yeh, ignore context why dont you, your claiming that the Sarafan lord is no stronger or has no more advantages than a normal human being? 😆 you forget the Nexus stone, the fact he was an inhuman and ancient vampire enemy (Hylden) wielding their magic.....you have to replay the LoK games [/B]

It's the same Kain. His mentality and what he does in these situations hasn't changed drastically. It's you who needs to replay them not I.

What do you mean counter ? He was beaten up and then had his heart ripped out by Raziel. I didn't leave any of this out. I don't ignore context and fully embrace it.

Raziel wasn't trying to kill him. His intent wasn't the same and the only reason he ever did so in the first place was due to the Hylden influence.

What evidence suggests he is much stronger ? Golems and ogres can easily crush humans as can Kain so what's the difference ?

Based on what ? Since when in the game has Kain been unable to be damaged by any weapons ? Give me some examples of a sword failing to cut him ?

I didn't misrepresent any of it I took both scenarios into this fairly and without bias unlike yourself.

I never said that I simply said the Hylden Lord beat Kain one on one. He didn't display that great of power but he did display enough power and intelligence to beat Kain.

Uhm Kain had the soulreaver so of course Hylden Lord is going to use something to counter that and bingo he outplayed Kain.

Originally posted by quanchi112
According to your logic the guy is capable of soloing armies so him fleeing from an army of humans is cowardice.

It's the same Kain. His mentality and what he does in these situations hasn't changed drastically. It's you who needs to replay them not I.

What do you mean counter ? He was beaten up and then had his heart ripped out by Raziel. I didn't leave any of this out. I don't ignore context and fully embrace it.

Raziel wasn't trying to kill him. His intent wasn't the same and the only reason he ever did so in the first place was due to the Hylden influence.

What evidence suggests he is much stronger ? Golems and ogres can easily crush humans as can Kain so what's the difference ?

Based on what ? Since when in the game has Kain been unable to be damaged by any weapons ? Give me some examples of a sword failing to cut him ?

I didn't misrepresent any of it I took both scenarios into this fairly and without bias unlike yourself.

I never said that I simply said the Hylden Lord beat Kain one on one. He didn't display that great of power but he did display enough power and intelligence to beat Kain.

Uhm Kain had the soulreaver so of course Hylden Lord is going to use something to counter that and bingo he outplayed Kain.

I did not say Blood omen 1 Kain can solo armies, when did I say this? kain himself says that hes fighting hordes of enemies and drinking their blood, if he was a coward he could not take on "hordes". Clearly you dont know the character, to call Kain a coward is as bad as calling him humble.

Yeh right, go replay the games, current kain is vastly more powerful and has conquered the humans, there is no mentality behind Kain leaving the battle in Bo1. A quote from Soul reaver has kain saying "as long as a single one of us stands, we are a legion".

He was beaten and slashed by the only weapon he claims that can kill him, thats not the Kain were using in this thread, Kain is at full strength here and no one in Fereldon is as strong, fast as Raziel or equiped with the wraith blade.

Who are you to say the intent was not the same? Raziel was enraged by himself in the SR 2 intro, he was influenced by the hylden in Defiance, difference is that in Defiance Raziel fought kain and damaged him with the wraith blade before slicing him with his claws, he did not damage Kain before slicing him with his claws in the intro, his claws did nothing.

The difference is Kain can also overpower and toss about Raziel who based on feats could throw a Golem like a rag doll.

Raziel claws cannot harm Kain, Raziels claws>>>>Sword wielded by a man.

Fairly? you dont have evidence for Fereldon being fast or strong yet, you hardly being fair when I post videos yet you dont think you have to....

The Hylden lord did beat him one on one, and he needed the Nexus stone and Hylden magic to do it. Nobody in Fereldon has those objects.

Thats not the same as beating someone through power is it, Hylden lord used a specific plot device to counter Kain, a plot device Fereldon do not have access to.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I did not say Blood omen 1 Kain can solo armies, when did I say this? kain himself says that hes fighting hordes of enemies and drinking their blood, if he was a coward he could not take on "hordes". Clearly you dont know the character, to call Kain a coward is as bad as calling him humble.

Yeh right, go replay the games, current kain is vastly more powerful and has conquered the humans, there is no mentality behind Kain leaving the battle in Bo1. A quote from Soul reaver has kain saying "as long as a single one of us stands, we are a legion".

He was beaten and slashed by the only weapon he claims that can kill him, thats not the Kain were using in this thread, Kain is at full strength here and no one in Fereldon is as strong, fast as Raziel or equiped with the wraith blade.

Who are you to say the intent was not the same? Raziel was enraged by himself in the SR 2 intro, he was influenced by the hylden in Defiance, difference is that in Defiance Raziel fought kain and damaged him with the wraith blade before slicing him with his claws, he did not damage Kain before slicing him with his claws in the intro, his claws did nothing.

The difference is Kain can also overpower and toss about Raziel who based on feats could throw a Golem like a rag doll.

Raziel claws cannot harm Kain, Raziels claws>>>>Sword wielded by a man.

Fairly? you dont have evidence for Fereldon being fast or strong yet, you hardly being fair when I post videos yet you dont think you have to....

The Hylden lord did beat him one on one, and he needed the Nexus stone and Hylden magic to do it. Nobody in Fereldon has those objects.

Thats not the same as beating someone through power is it, Hylden lord used a specific plot device to counter Kain, a plot device Fereldon do not have access to.

Kain conquered the humans with an army and generals. LOL. Thanks for proving my point yet again he didn't just solo the human army himself. You at this point don't seem to make any real points and actually betray your own points.

Raziel hasn't proven himself to be that strong though and since he can do it so can an ogre or golem among other foes. What games is Kain unable to be physically hurt due to a lack of strength ? Please point them out.

Not. At. All. Kain has the same kind of strength feats an ogre does and these are just general troops and he also lacks the size and weight of the ogres. So......he's in trouble.

Raziel's claws ripped out his heart. You then claim he cannot hurt Kain. This is what makes you delusional and nothing more than a fanboy who foams at the mouth when Kain is mentioned often beating your chest making such ridiculous claims as he solos armies and no one can hurt him.

Yes, I do. You have no evidence of Kain being above human reaction since he gets tagged all game long.

Kain had the soulreaver so the Hylden Lord outplayed him with the nexus stone. Why is hylden magic unfair when Kain gets his vampiric powers ?

They don't need this plot device. According to the game as well Kain can't kill the archdemon he will just go to the nearest darkspawn. Laughs and oh yeah water=====death.

Its your logic, not mine, him leaving a battlefield even if he can solo armies can still be a strategic manouver. Afterall, if one can succeed quicker or easier somewhere else, why remain?

Because you cant conquer someone by yourself, you need support to take over their holdings in case they return. This does not actually counter anything you understand?

yes he has, feats are in the thread, actual feats unlike claims which is all we hear from you. Soul reaver 2 intro.

Kain has vastly more, your making claims without evidence...again

I dont see his heart being ripped out in Soul reaver 2 intro, so no, your wrong. A combination of weakening, wraith blade AND claws ripped out Kains heart...this is what makes you ignorant completly to the fictions your trying to argue, and the fact you have zero evidence nad ignore the only evidence there is so far shows you as a poor debator in general.

When did I say it was unfair? i just said their advantages the Hylden have, advantages no one in Fereldon has.

Which is useless because a darkspawn would be even easier to kill than the Dragon itself. And no thats not true, kain takes souls/essence, so no....Kain can get rid of the Archdemon permanently.

If youve got thousands of years to wait for them to dissolve, maybe. But Fereldon does not, they have a few minutes as Kain kills them all by himself.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its your logic, not mine, him leaving a battlefield even if he can solo armies can still be a strategic manouver. Afterall, if one can succeed quicker or easier somewhere else, why remain?

Because you cant conquer someone by yourself, you need support to take over their holdings in case they return. This does not actually counter anything you understand?

yes he has, feats are in the thread, actual feats unlike claims which is all we hear from you. Soul reaver 2 intro.

Kain has vastly more, your making claims without evidence...[b]again

I dont see his heart being ripped out in Soul reaver 2 intro, so no, your wrong. A combination of weakening, wraith blade AND claws ripped out Kains heart...this is what makes you ignorant completly to the fictions your trying to argue, and the fact you have zero evidence nad ignore the only evidence there is so far shows you as a poor debator in general.

When did I say it was unfair? i just said their advantages the Hylden have, advantages no one in Fereldon has.

Which is useless because a darkspawn would be even easier to kill than the Dragon itself. And no thats not true, kain takes souls/essence, so no....Kain can get rid of the Archdemon permanently.

If youve got thousands of years to wait for them to dissolve, maybe. But Fereldon does not, they have a few minutes as Kain kills them all by himself. [/B]

If you can solo armies why would anyone oppose your rule ? Wouldn't they realize the same fate would befall them ?

The soulreaver 2 intro proves Kain can manhandle a confused Raziel. Nothing more nothing less but we know in the right set of circumstances Raziel can rip through his chest.

What feats does he have other than tearing human hearts out and what not for strength feats ? Enlighten me.

Of course he didn't rip it out he wasn't possessed by the hylden raziel isn't some monster he wanted answers he didn't want Kain's death at that point.

Ferelden has more advantages, superior numbers, greater minds, multiple forces, etc. over the Hylden Lord's army.

A darkspawn won't be useless when the archdemon possesses it. Kain probably could take it's soul but he'll die before that happens.

Proof Kain can kill armies ?

Thats baseless, theres nothing claiming or hinting to him not having a chance, on the other hand theres plenty of things giving him a chance, like him defeating hordes of enemies.

You would think so, tell that to any revolutions or rebels in the real world who fight for "freedom". Being able to destroy armies does not give you control over an area, it just means you can beat them on field, a war is only a tiny piece of control.

In the right set and circumstances being Kain badly damaged beforehand. We know when their both at full strength Raziel cannot even scratch Kain however.

Overpowering Raziel with ease.

He still used a combination of anger and claws, which did NO damage whatsoever, also what are you talking about heart ripping for? he did it once because he wanted to heart of darkness, that does not mean every other time hes supposed to have damaged Kain is irrelevant.

Ok, prove those things. Prove fereldon has superior numbers, greater minds etc

Die? from what?

Raziel not being able to harm him, dimention reaver, conflict reaver, lighting reaver and time powers=normal human army worthless, in any numbers.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats baseless, theres nothing claiming or hinting to him not having a chance, on the other hand theres plenty of things giving him a chance, like him defeating hordes of enemies.

You would think so, tell that to any revolutions or rebels in the real world who fight for "freedom". Being able to destroy armies does not give you control over an area, it just means you can beat them on field, a war is only a tiny piece of control.

In the right set and circumstances being Kain badly damaged beforehand. We know when their both at full strength Raziel cannot even scratch Kain however.

Overpowering Raziel with ease.

He still used a combination of anger and claws, which did NO damage whatsoever, also what are you talking about heart ripping for? he did it once because he wanted to heart of darkness, that does not mean every other time hes supposed to have damaged Kain is irrelevant.

Ok, prove those things. Prove fereldon has superior numbers, greater minds etc

Die? from what?

Raziel not being able to harm him, dimention reaver, conflict reaver, lighting reaver and time powers=normal human army worthless, in any numbers.

If Kain were powerful enough to solo armies I repeat someone who overtook his land wouldn't hold it for very long and when Kain opposed the Hylden Lord he did it without an army but at the same time didn't oppose one on a field. I mean why would he do so according to your logic since at this point he didn't have an army to occupy what he took from the Hylden Lord ? Your logic stinks.

We know he cannot only scratch him but tear his heart out. You denying this is just sad. It happened and when raziel wanted it to.

So ? Raziel also knocked him back as well so they both have the strength to hurt each other. LOL.

He didn't want to rip out his heart until the hylden possession occurred then he did so.

There are over ten thousand darkspawn alone it seems ignoring the intelligent ones, etc. along with the werewolves, blood mages, mabari, redcliffe soldiers, dwarves, golems, fade demons, abominations, dalish elves, city elves, etc. In lok we don't see or hear of anything close to these numbers or see the great minds we see in dragon age with the level of efficiency and organization we have seen them show themselves capable of.

Water, damage---take your pick.

Raziel did harm him with strength alone when he wanted to. Prove Raziel can defeat a human army.

Erm wait a minute? him leaving makes him a coward? since when was this established? your talking nonsense and you dont have any evidence.

Your talking rubbish, you dont have any idea how conquest or control works at all, you seem to think just defeating the army of the opposition counts as control....

When Kain is greatly weakened, at full strength an FMV shows raziel dealing no damage, raziel who has more strength in one arm than most of Fereldon.

Clearly not because Kain stands unharmed yet Kain tosses Raziel around. Not once does Raziel overpower Kain in strength, however Kain overpowers Raziel.

No he didnt, he did so when kain was badly weakened, then he could do it. Kains not going to be greatly damaged by wraith blade strikes in this matchup so your talking bull again.

Your just listing things, your proving anything. Your making claims, not proof. Show me proof because experiance and tactics go to Lok, their generals are more numerous and are thousands of years old, experiance to LoK. Numbers? your looking at several periods filled with humans, vampires, demons and anything in between.

Damage? I have proven they cant harm him, water? they dont have the ability immerse Kain in water, whats more

No he didnt, you need to replay the games because Raziel used the wraith blade. Raziel is immortal, how do you expect them to defeat him at all? lol, you dont have a clue about Lok.

Kain would pick up a Fereldon sword and throw it, impaling a few Golems and the Archdemon all at once, the blade finally resting in the head of a brood mother.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Erm wait a minute? him leaving makes him a coward? since when was this established? your talking nonsense and you dont have any evidence.

Your talking rubbish, you dont have any idea how conquest or control works at all, you seem to think just defeating the army of the opposition counts as control....

When Kain is greatly weakened, at full strength an FMV shows raziel dealing no damage, raziel who has more strength in one arm than most of Fereldon.

Clearly not because Kain stands unharmed yet Kain tosses Raziel around. Not once does Raziel overpower Kain in strength, however Kain overpowers Raziel.

No he didnt, he did so when kain was badly weakened, then he could do it. Kains not going to be greatly damaged by wraith blade strikes in this matchup so your talking bull again.

Your just listing things, your proving anything. Your making claims, not proof. [b]Show me proof because experiance and tactics go to Lok, their generals are more numerous and are thousands of years old, experiance to LoK. Numbers? your looking at several periods filled with humans, vampires, demons and anything in between.

Damage? I have proven they cant harm him, water? they dont have the ability immerse Kain in water, whats more

No he didnt, you need to replay the games because Raziel used the wraith blade. Raziel is immortal, how do you expect them to defeat him at all? lol, you dont have a clue about Lok.

Kain would pick up a Fereldon sword and throw it, impaling a few Golems and the Archdemon all at once, the blade finally resting in the head of a brood mother. [/B]

I just gave an in game example whereas kain destroyed the Hylden Lord without an army. I give in game examples where you spout off nonsense.

Kain's chest wasn't weakened it shows what Raziel is capable of provided he has the opening.

Yes, once and raziel also knocked him back as well showing they have comparable strength and ripping Kain's heart out is more impressive than Kain's strength feats anyways. 😉

He did so because he had the opening not by damaging his chest he showed what he's capable of in the right situation and that he can do so.

So what ? These generals proved nothing in fact they were defeated like fools against one foe who went in and destroyed their weak armies man by man. In dragon age they are organized one man is not enough. Point dragon age.

They can create spells to freeze and burn. Freeze kain and then burn the water while he's frozen. Game over, brah.

Raziel can be defeated and held prisoner in the fade. Next.

Speculation tell me about Kain's superior strength feats. Quit avoiding the questions please.

Erm no, theres no explanation why he left, infact if you played the games you would realise he could have done it by strategic manouver.

Yes because a wraith blade in the chest does not weaken anyone.....

Defeating someones weight is not the same as beating their strength...thats not comparable. Not really....

yeh the game does not back you up, Kain was badly damaged by fight and wraith blade to the chest.

Organised? they dont even work together, Logain left the king to die in the beginning.....as I said, their ancient and have years and years of experiance. kain has actually conquered a world.....

Thats not immersion in water, and their spells are really slow.

When was anyone "just" imprisoned in the fade? its not like they can do it off the bat. iirc, the only one who imprisoned anyone is the Sloth demon, who is not a human, or part of an army.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Erm no, theres no explanation why he left, infact if you played the games you would realise he could have done it by strategic manouver.

Yes because a wraith blade in the chest does not weaken anyone.....

Defeating someones weight is not the same as beating their strength...thats not comparable. Not really....

yeh the game does not back you up, Kain was badly damaged by fight and wraith blade to the chest.

Organised? they dont even work together, Logain left the king to die in the beginning.....as I said, their ancient and have years and years of experiance. kain has actually conquered a world.....

Thats not immersion in water, and their spells are really slow.

When was anyone "just" imprisoned in the fade? its not like they can do it off the bat. iirc, the only one who imprisoned anyone is the Sloth demon, who is not a human, or part of an army.

That's a wound but him ripping his heart out was all him.

Kain used that glowing attack to get Raziel away from him if he was so much stronger like you claim all the time he wouldn't struggle with easily tossing him aside every time but he's only done it once which you cling to like a newborn on it's mother's nipple.

Kain wasn't badly damaged he let his guard down and Raziel ripped out his heart. If he has the opening it's a done deal.

Yes, organized Loghain didn't respect the King but he held ferelden's best interests at heart. He had enough troops left at the end to prevail. Betrayal happens all the time but like I stated previously despite losing that massive army in ostagar which they have they also have just numerous forces to back them up.

Kain conquered a decaying world through time travel, etc. He also was beaten and tricked.

If something freezes and then is burned what happens. Please tell me you understand what it is I am typing.

Sloth Demon and various other demons can imprison ya. Baroness comes to mind along with the Mother and her trick to send her own darkspawn along with the grey warden but I betcha didn't play the dc did ya ?

Dragon age in a horrific stomp.

Thats not what I asked, you fail to realise Kain showed no cowardice on that battlefield. Poor straw man.

After Kain was wounded, after he was weakened, as shown in the Soul reaver FMV, Kain at fall strength can take blows from a full strength raziel like nothing.

Where did Kain "struggle"? I recall kain snatching Raziel out of the air with ease, Raziel struggling to get free using both hands to release Kains one....

lol, replay the games. Kain was in pain and yelled out in pain again after being slashed in the chest with the wraith blade.

Youve still not proven their forces are more numerous or better controlled. Regardless of Logains sentiments, he was on the same side as the king and just let him die.

No he didnt, time travel? what are you talking about? time travel was only a small part of his plans, he still had to wipe out most of the humans during the years between Blood omen and Soul reaver, 1000 years at least...Kain won.

Ofc I understand, I also understand more than you do that some run-off water is not the same as full immersion.

Show me. prove it.

haha, how? the only evidence is on my side and it proves Kain is unharmed by Raziel who based on feats, could throw steel golems around like they were unrequired toiletries.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not what I asked, you fail to realise Kain showed no cowardice on that battlefield. Poor straw man.

After Kain was wounded, after he was weakened, as shown in the Soul reaver FMV, Kain at fall strength can take blows from a full strength raziel like nothing.

Where did Kain "struggle"? I recall kain snatching Raziel out of the air with ease, Raziel struggling to get free using both hands to release Kains one....

lol, replay the games. Kain was in pain and yelled out in pain again after being slashed in the chest with the wraith blade.

Youve still not proven their forces are more numerous or better controlled. Regardless of Logains sentiments, he was on the same side as the king and just let him die.

No he didnt, time travel? what are you talking about? time travel was only a small part of his plans, he still had to wipe out most of the humans during the years between Blood omen and Soul reaver, 1000 years at least...Kain won.

Ofc I understand, I also understand more than you do that some run-off water is not the same as full immersion.

Show me. prove it.

haha, how? the only evidence is on my side and it proves Kain is unharmed by Raziel who based on feats, could throw steel golems around like they were unrequired toiletries.

Raziel had his mitts all over him and Kain resorted to the blast to free himself from Raziel.

So ? This provided the opening Raziel needed nothing more.

So how many vampires are there in lok or humans , etc. Combine everything and see if you get close to ten thousand. Thanks.

Yes, he did time travel hence him killing william not the nemesis which backfired on him.

If he's frozen completely then he's completely immersed in water when it thaws. Laughs.

Prove what ?

Raziel ripped his heart out which ko'd him. You are denying reality again Kain was ko'd and hurtin bad.

Your making up stories, the game says none of this.

He freed himself from Raziel beforehand, if you watched the video at all you would see Kain easily throwing Raziels arm down. The blast he did next was what launched him across the room.

No it didnt...it damaged Kain, Kain was badly damaged, the opening came much later.....your claiming Kain is immune to the reaver now? the one weapon he himself admits can kill him? shame on you, play the games.

ten thousand is very little, its not a human population even. Even the smallest cities have close to that number.....theres whole races of vampires and humans, who at varying times have covered most of the world...in Dragon Age they cover small areas...

Time travelling did not help him beat the humans did it, it only hurt his plan....so what are you talking about...

Show me the characters imprisoning in the fade.

After being badly damaged beforehand, a full strength kain took Raziels blows without problem in SR2 intro. This proves he needs to be badly weakened before you can harm his body, it just so happens only Raziel can do it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your making up stories, the game says none of this.

He freed himself from Raziel beforehand, if you watched the video at all you would see Kain easily throwing Raziels arm down. The blast he did next was what launched him across the room.

No it didnt...it damaged Kain, Kain was badly damaged, the opening came much later.....your claiming Kain is immune to the reaver now? the one weapon he himself admits can kill him? shame on you, play the games.

ten thousand is very little, its not a human population even. Even the smallest cities have close to that number.....theres whole [b]races of vampires and humans, who at varying times have covered most of the world...in Dragon Age they cover small areas...

Time travelling did not help him beat the humans did it, it only hurt his plan....so what are you talking about...

Show me the characters imprisoning in the fade.

After being badly damaged beforehand, a full strength kain took Raziels blows without problem in SR2 intro. This proves he needs to be badly weakened before you can harm his body, it just so happens only Raziel can do it. [/B]

Yes, because both have the strength to harm each other if Kain was so much stronger he'd never have been in the position to rip out his heart later.

I have no idea what you are even reading at this point. You are all over the map of confusion.

Ok gimme numbers on how many humans are in the games in lok ? This isn't earth this is nosgoth.

It aided him against the Nemesis' army he went back before he had an army.

No.

Nope, we see raziel harm Kain much more than Kain ever harm raziel with his strength. Why you ask---intent.