Dragonage v.s. LoK

What happens in the game is not the highest form of evidence especially since they are shooting it at things with little to no speed feats and their speed is basically at most on par with a normal human. In the game it's hitting people who aren't even trying to dodge!

Yes, so what's your point in mentioning Raziel has the power and strength to rip his heart out? Raziel has been seen pushing, pulling and I believe lifting blocks that were at least 20-40 tons in weight. The only one from DA that could compete with him in strength is Shale and that's mainly on speculation.

Golems bigger than Shale have been killed by mortals.

Shale is nowhere near as strong as Raziel.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Let us say Flash were to stand still and let the mage fire the spell, and then try to dodge it.

Could he?

No, not even if he stole their speed. Flash needs to negate it or put up a shield.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What happens in the game is not the highest form of evidence especially since they are shooting it at things with little to no speed feats and their speed is basically at most on par with a normal human. In the game it's hitting people who aren't even trying to dodge!

Yes, so what's your point in mentioning Raziel has the power and strength to rip his heart out? Raziel has been seen pushing, pulling and I believe lifting blocks that were at least 20-40 tons in weight. The only one from DA that could compete with him in strength is Shale and that's mainly on speculation.

I see ogres or golems roughly being around the same level. They don't need to rip his heart out anyways to beat him nor did I claim I see someone doing so.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Golems bigger than Shale have been killed by mortals.

Shale is nowhere near as strong as Raziel.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't just get peppered with arrows he got sword slashed all over his body from Riordan. He took a lot of damage and he still needs to be weakened so that is canon you can't just run up and kill him use your head.

Raziel wasn't trying to kill Kain until he was possessed because he always sought answers and wasn't quick to bloodshed. Do you even understand who Raziel was or get the character at all ?

Kain was battered to weakness and him holding back while Raziel wasn't cost him his heart. I understand these characters unlike you.

How many mages were there then ? Take an educated guess.

Kain is fast but the mages can't miss so he is screwed his speed doesn't matter.

My point is she will back up Kain not being able to solo armies because it's ridiculous and makes you a huge fanboy.

When has Kain dominated mini forces like the Archdemon has ?

weak mortal weapons>Archdemon, and only a few of them too. 😆 you cant just run up and kill him? thats exactly what the Grey Warden did.

Raziel throught he already had the answers, that Kain was a arrogant and evil vampire who desecrated his tomb which was enough to put him into a rage, either way he slashed Kain without damage. regardless if Raziel wanted it or not, if he did that to the Archdemon, a golem or indeed a man he would disembowel him. I dont think you get any of the characters or the scene itself.

Yeh thats exactly what I said, Kains not going to be battered to weakness or holding back in this fight is he...."use your head" hypocrite.

Probably around 50 in Fereldon.

His speed doesnt matter? if speed doesnt matter then its the same as claiming the Flash in my example earlier could not dodge them 😆 your so daft...as the others have tried to make you see sense, gameplay mechanics are not counted. Kains faster than anyone in Fereldon.

When the fiction itself, and the characters themselves show the ability and capacity to solo armies I think its you who have been made the fool of.

mini forces? irrelevant "when" he has when he can dominate armies isntit really. And Kain fought his way through Demons,far stronger than men after having his heart ripped out and by being blasted through a dimension wall by Raziels Tk.....

Archdemon could not handle one of those Demons.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are trying to dodge but the game plays out different than an action game so we don't see them dodging for the most part. we do know rogues are much better at avoiding attacks and in this game there is now way for them to dodge these blows. We also know Kain is faaster than any human but still can't run circles around them either. Moebius was quick enough the first time in defiance to catch him off guard with his power but Kain was prepared for it and used his tk the second time he came around. Moebius just has human level reactions too so if you have more than one mage Kain can't avoid it or prevent two at one time.

I see ogres or golems roughly being around the same level. They don't need to rip his heart out anyways to beat him nor did I claim I see someone doing so.

Gameplay mechanics. Kain is beyond anyone in Fereldon in physical speed and using teleports goes beyond that by a fai margin, take into account they cant react to him and their cast times work against them they will be dead before they get any magic off. Moebius has a staff that works almost passively and on a whim, mage spells take longer. Moeibus' staff has nothing to do with his reactions, and Kain was not trying to kill him like he would be to Fereldon mages.

You see a lot of strange things dont you, those are featless and nowhere near as strong. 40-50 tonnes per block and 100 tonnes (Raziel can move 2) or more (Raziel moves an Obelisk far larger than said blocks in SR2) is a lot of weight, far more than Fereldon could best.

Then take into account Kain can take that much strength through the PSI of a blades edge and so he is immune to pretty much any physical attacks they could possibly master.

Originally posted by Burning thought
weak mortal weapons>Archdemon, and only a few of them too. 😆 you cant just run up and kill him? thats [b]exactly what the Grey Warden did.

Raziel throught he already had the answers, that Kain was a arrogant and evil vampire who desecrated his tomb which was enough to put him into a rage, either way he slashed Kain without damage. regardless if Raziel wanted it or not, if he did that to the Archdemon, a golem or indeed a man he would disembowel him. I dont think you get any of the characters or the scene itself.

Yeh thats exactly what I said, Kains not going to be battered to weakness or holding back in this fight is he...."use your head" hypocrite.

Probably around 50 in Fereldon.

His speed doesnt matter? if speed doesnt matter then its the same as claiming the Flash in my example earlier could not dodge them 😆 your so daft...as the others have tried to make you see sense, gameplay mechanics are not counted. Kains faster than anyone in Fereldon.

When the fiction itself, and the characters themselves show the ability and capacity to solo armies I think its you who have been made the fool of.

mini forces? irrelevant "when" he has when he can dominate armies isntit really. And Kain fought his way through Demons,far stronger than men after having his heart ripped out and by being blasted through a dimension wall by Raziels Tk.....

Archdemon could not handle one of those Demons.

Gameplay mechanics. Kain is beyond anyone in Fereldon in physical speed and using teleports goes beyond that by a fai margin, take into account they cant react to him and their cast times work against them they will be dead before they get any magic off. Moebius has a staff that works almost passively and on a whim, mage spells take longer. Moeibus' staff has nothing to do with his reactions, and Kain was not trying to kill him like he would be to Fereldon mages.

You see a lot of strange things dont you, those are featless and nowhere near as strong. 40-50 tonnes per block and 100 tonnes (Raziel can move 2) or more (Raziel moves an Obelisk far larger than said blocks in SR2) is a lot of weight, far more than Fereldon could best.

Then take into account Kain can take that much strength through the PSI of a blades edge and so he is immune to pretty much any physical attacks they could possibly master. [/B]

Intent is everything and we've seen he can do so so what are you even arguing ? He did so so shut up and like it.

He will get battered into weakness here, a few mages with a few ogres and he's fighting for his life. You throw a boss or two at him and he's screwed.

50-----You get 8 in your army have about 4-8 in all of the downloadable content alone. You are forgetting the circle of magi, the blood mages, the crazy hermit, uldred, first enchanter irving, the hurlock general mage, zathrian, and I haven't even gotten to the various emissaries littered throughout the game and the dc. You say 50........that's so far off it's not even remotely close.

His speed doesn't matter the Flash's would but he's not even close and we've seen him beaten up and affected by human speed before. Don't try and go all cbr on me and quit ignoring how he's portrayed.

Kain hasn't soloed an army and ran from one so if anything he's been shown to be smart enough to pick and choose his battles he can't help it if his fans make ridiculous claims he can solo armies when he never even challenged one himself but fled instead.

Kain fought demons but never an organized army lwith the sheer numbers as the darkspawn, ever. Not once.

Archdemon would wreck all of those demons.

Prove Kain is. You claim it prove it.

Mages spells do take longer but they have guys in between himself and Kain not just one on one conflicts Kain had with Moebius. I already stated this start responding to what I actually say not just repeating yourself, sport.

Speculation you can't prove and strength doesn't matter here when there are a whole lot of other factors involved, kiddo.

Kain isn't immune to water. That's all they need is just a little water and he loses. Laughs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Right after a long battle, Riordan's damage, and arrows to him pre battle. To ignore this is to ignore context and be burning thought the man who won't even take a lok bet because I understand the characters better than you do.

Intent is everything and we've seen he can do so so what are you even arguing ? He did so so shut up and like it.

He will get battered into weakness here, a few mages with a few ogres and he's fighting for his life. You throw a boss or two at him and he's screwed.

50-----You get 8 in your army have about 4-8 in all of the downloadable content alone. You are forgetting the circle of magi, the blood mages, the crazy hermit, uldred, first enchanter irving, the hurlock general mage, zathrian, and I haven't even gotten to the various emissaries littered throughout the game and the dc. You say 50........that's so far off it's not even remotely close.

His speed doesn't matter the Flash's would but he's not even close and we've seen him beaten up and affected by human speed before. Don't try and go all cbr on me and quit ignoring how he's portrayed.

Kain hasn't soloed an army and ran from one so if anything he's been shown to be smart enough to pick and choose his battles he can't help it if his fans make ridiculous claims he can solo armies when he never even challenged one himself but fled instead.

Kain fought demons but never an organized army lwith the sheer numbers as the darkspawn, ever. Not once.

Archdemon would wreck all of those demons.

Prove Kain is. You claim it prove it.

Mages spells do take longer but they have guys in between himself and Kain not just one on one conflicts Kain had with Moebius. I already stated this start responding to what I actually say not just repeating yourself, sport.

Speculation you can't prove and strength doesn't matter here when there are a whole lot of other factors involved, kiddo.

Kain isn't immune to water. That's all they need is just a little water and he loses. Laughs.

As i said, you clearly understand very little about Games vs, games themselves and their characters. All we know is that the Dragon was beaten, and the cutscene shows 4 people, 1 of which guts it like a fish.

Intent is nothing to do with it, if I shot someone with a gun with the intent just to wound but it blasted a hole in their heart my intent means nothing, the damage still happens. its the same here, your dont have any clue do you? 🙄

Theres about 30 at most in your list, I said 50 because of Emissaries. Thats probably as close as your going to get to a round figuire. The circle of mages were pretty much destroyed, not that there were many wizards of there of note, even before it was devastated looking in the rooms showed us most of the people there were apprentices who set themselves on fire 😆

Yeh thats being a hypocrite, the speed of one person matters but the speed of another dont? Kain and certainly the flash are beyond in speed than the whole of Dragonage as I said. You have not even got a single piece of footing.

Kains shown he can defeat any army of enemies human or slightly above, thats what Fereldon uses. Their screwed just by Kain himself.

An organised army? since when are the Darkspawn "organised"? Their tactics consist of sending hordes at their opponents.

Yeh thats a pathetic little statement, the featless Archdemon who gets pierced by arrows is going to win vs demons...I lold. The fact they can take some punishment for Raziel and trade blows with him make them superior to anything in DAO by themselves.

I did, above you see the video? the only one in the entire thread....nothing youve said is proven.

They take ages, Kain can avoid anyone in between with a teleport.

Speculation? what concerning Fereldon? if they dont have feats then they dont have the strength, simple fact in a debate. If you cant bring the facts to the table then your wasting my time, and what factors exactly? any other factor LoK has them beat even more so, the strength is just the reason why Kain walks through as many Darkspawn and soldiers as he wants, killing them as he goes.

He may as well be, the amount of water they would need coupled with the fact he is faster than they can react makes water useless. Acid is like water to a vampire, acid to a human takes a fair amount of time to dissolve, couple that with the fact Kain and most vampires are so much more dense than human body forms and have fast regen....water is useless.

Kain picks up the Brood Mother and Carridon in each hand, smashes their heads in and precedes to kick the Archdemos head off....Kain wins.

Originally posted by Burning thought
As i said, you clearly understand very little about Games vs, games themselves and their characters. All we know is that the Dragon was beaten, and the cutscene shows 4 people, 1 of which guts it like a fish.

Intent is nothing to do with it, if I shot someone with a gun with the intent just to wound but it blasted a hole in their heart my intent means nothing, the damage still happens. its the same here, your dont have any clue do you? 🙄

Theres about 30 at most in your list, I said 50 because of Emissaries. Thats probably as close as your going to get to a round figuire. The circle of mages were pretty much destroyed, not that there were many wizards of there of note, even before it was devastated looking in the rooms showed us most of the people there were apprentices who set themselves on fire 😆

Yeh thats being a hypocrite, the speed of one person matters but the speed of another dont? Kain and certainly the flash are beyond in speed than the whole of Dragonage as I said. You have not even got a single piece of footing.

Kains shown he can defeat any army of enemies human or slightly above, thats what Fereldon uses. Their screwed just by Kain himself.

An organised army? since when are the Darkspawn "organised"? Their tactics consist of sending hordes at their opponents.

Yeh thats a pathetic little statement, the featless Archdemon who gets pierced by arrows is going to win vs demons...I lold. The fact they can take some punishment for Raziel and trade blows with him make them superior to anything in DAO by themselves.

I did, above you see the video? the only one in the entire thread....nothing youve said is proven.

They take ages, Kain can avoid anyone in between with a teleport.

Speculation? what concerning Fereldon? if they dont have feats then they dont have the strength, simple fact in a debate. If you cant bring the facts to the table then your wasting my time, and what factors exactly? any other factor LoK has them beat even more so, the strength is just the reason why Kain walks through as many Darkspawn and soldiers as he wants, killing them as he goes.

He may as well be, the amount of water they would need coupled with the fact he is faster than they can react makes water useless. Acid is like water to a vampire, acid to a human takes a fair amount of time to dissolve, couple that with the fact Kain and most vampires are so much more dense than human body forms and have fast regen....water is useless.

Kain picks up the Brood Mother and Carridon in each hand, smashes their heads in and precedes to kick the Archdemos head off....Kain wins.

If someone is trying to kill me with a punch or trying to just fight me the intent changes the force used. Do you think people mistakenly kill people all the time ? No, when Raziel wanted his heart it came out of his chest.

We meet more than thirty throughout the course of game and if you play as a mage you see tons of mages prior to ostagar.

You also see a whole bunch in Morrigan's dc which I assume you didn't play.

The speed by Kain isn't enough of a difference to matter whereas the Flash's is. Unless you feel varying degrees of speed is some sort of joke I am right once again.

When has Kain shown he can defeat armies with humans ? I seem to recall him fleeing from the Nemesis' army but what am I not remembering ?

Dc the darkspawn are intelligent and very organized and when it comes to the mindless ones compelled to listen to the archdemon they are too big of a force guided by the generals and the archdemon.

Yes, what feats do these demons have ? I named archdemon feats now your turn. You don't even make sense at this point it's just unbackable claim after unbackable claim.

Based on what ?

What have I stated exactly that I haven't offered evidence for to prove ?

Kain can be killed by simple water and can be frozen what gives you the idea their weapons can't hurt him or their powers ? What did Kain do in the games which gave you this idea ?

They can freeze him or petrify him and don't need that much water either. Prove Kain is faster and can beat armies before they can react.

This is typical of your childish responses which make no sense. I accept your concession. They wreck nosgoth.

The cutscene shows only 4 greywardens. Riordan simply cut its wings but thats about it.

No, when Kain was weakened and damaged greviously by the soul reaver he was weak enough for this to happen. Does not change the fact an enraged Raziel slashes with his bodyweight included at Kain and does nothing.

You dont see "tons", you see a lot of apprentcies more than anything.

Yeh thats a base lie, is not enough to matter? lol, based on what? feats? clearly not.....

Your forgetting the part where Kain can take more damage on him than tanks.

Youve not backed up any claims, it took other people to back up your claims that the Archdemon can be peppered with human arrows and slashed up by weak people with swords.

Youve not got a piece of evidence in your posts....get a video or a source.

No he cant, his body burns if hes immersed in water and his too durable to be harmed by any of their weapons.

I have proven, the cast time is slow and Kain can teleport, e.g. movement without actually taking time to move.

Not really, the only evidence in this thread supports me lol.....go check your sources and re-play the games, your clueless. Kain wrecks Ferelden by himself.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The cutscene shows only 4 greywardens. Riordan simply cut its wings but thats about it.

No, when Kain was weakened and damaged greviously by the soul reaver he was weak enough for this to happen. Does not change the fact an enraged Raziel slashes with his bodyweight included at Kain and does nothing.

You dont see "tons", you see a lot of apprentcies more than anything.

Yeh thats a base lie, is not enough to matter? lol, based on what? feats? clearly not.....

Your forgetting the part where Kain can take more damage on him than tanks.

Youve not backed up any claims, it took other people to back up your claims that the Archdemon can be peppered with human arrows and slashed up by weak people with swords.

Youve not got a piece of evidence in your posts....get a video or a source.

No he cant, his body burns if hes immersed in water and his too durable to be harmed by any of their weapons.

I have proven, the cast time is slow and Kain can teleport, e.g. movement without actually taking time to move.

Not really, the only evidence in this thread supports me lol.....go check your sources and re-play the games, your clueless. Kain wrecks Ferelden by himself.

There aren't ever four grey wardens ever assembled at one time who take him on so please wake up and actually try to understand just one game you actually play through. You don't even know what a grey warden is it seems.

It doesn't change that he has the strength to do so when he wants to at any time provided the opportunity arises.

You see three enchanters. abominations who are possess mages as well, and lots of mages and apprentices count as well as mages. Jowan was an apprentice and was powerful enough to temporaily ko Irving and Greagoir. Booyah.

How is it a lie ? You don't even know what a grey warden is so I doubt you can spot a mage either.

Kain can't and tanks can't be ripped apart by Raziel's claws.

You played the game and which claims ?

Which claims ? Which claims? Which claims ? Do you understand english ? I have asked you several times and have yet to get an answer. I mean actually have a point or pose something to me specifically not more general or vague sentences which address nothing.

What video or evidence are you disputing ?

When has Kain shown he can resist their weapons or any weapons in his own game ? Examples of his skin being too durable to be pierced or slashed please.

Kain can teleport but there are droves of enemies in between he and the mages and we've seen him not fast enough to even tear apart an army of humans. So where are these faster than light speed feats of Kain ?

Kain hasn't wrecked an army by himself. You don't understand either of these games and I replace you as a Kain supporter as you simply don't understand both he as a character or what he's actually capable of.

Originally posted by quanchi112
...and I replace you as a Kain supporter as you simply don't understand both he as a character or what he's actually capable of.

Someone please tell me this really did just happen.

It seems to have just happened.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Someone please tell me this really did just happen.

I love how Quan has the audacity to tell people who actually ARE knowledgable in certain series that they are wrong without actually proving anything.

BT and I have clashed in the past, but no one save maybe MadMel who never really posts is more knowledgable about Legacy of Kain.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Someone please tell me this really did just happen.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I love how Quan has the audacity to tell people who actually ARE knowledgable in certain series that they are wrong without actually proving anything.

BT and I have clashed in the past, but no one save maybe MadMel who never really posts is more knowledgable about Legacy of Kain.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Riordan cuts all over him and arrows pierce him and he still takes on the party after all of this. This is all canon too, sport.

There aren't ever four grey wardens ever assembled at one time who take him on so please wake up and actually try to understand just one game you actually play through. You don't even know what a grey warden is it seems.

It doesn't change that he has the strength to do so when he wants to at any time provided the opportunity arises.

You see three enchanters. abominations who are possess mages as well, and lots of mages and apprentices count as well as mages. Jowan was an apprentice and was powerful enough to temporaily ko Irving and Greagoir. Booyah.

How is it a lie ? You don't even know what a grey warden is so I doubt you can spot a mage either.

Kain can't and tanks can't be ripped apart by Raziel's claws.

You played the game and which claims ?

Which claims ? Which claims? Which claims ? Do you understand english ? I have asked you several times and have yet to get an answer. I mean actually have a point or pose something to me specifically not more general or vague sentences which address nothing.

What video or evidence are you disputing ?

When has Kain shown he can resist their weapons or any weapons in his own game ? Examples of his skin being too durable to be pierced or slashed please.

Kain can teleport but there are droves of enemies in between he and the mages and we've seen him not fast enough to even tear apart an army of humans. So where are these faster than light speed feats of Kain ?

Kain hasn't wrecked an army by himself. You don't understand either of these games and I replace you as a Kain supporter as you simply don't understand both he as a character or what he's actually capable of.

pierced and cut up by normal human weapons? held by beings of normal human strength? ...yeh, really really weak.

You know what I mean, theres at least 3 that attack him but the point is, only 4 people, (the players team which can consist of at most 2 grey wardens) are present in the cutscene.

Yeh he has the strength and Kains repelled it completly. The difference is Kain cant repel the reavers damage as its his weakness.

Abominations dont know all the powers of mages, infact iirc a lot of them seemed to just melee or had their own unique power set.

Its a lie because the casters are featless in reaction and speed, Kain has a lot of it by comparison. Your lieing because your claiming they can hit him with slow casting spells when he can mist, teleport and simply outmove them.

I have proven they can, you talking BS and denying everything does not counter my evidence (the only evidence in this thread, is on my side).

Every claim you have so far made lacks evidence, start by proving something.

I have a video showing Kain being slashed without damage above, by someone stronger than the whole of Fereldon.

What is this gibberish? you did not even counter my point...

😆 when even my previous enemies support me I dont think you have any case here, apprently floundering like a fish out of water while shouting out game mechanics and events out of chronological order as points replaces me as a Kain supporter? 🙄

You least of all could replace anyone on this forum as any supporter, I would certainly never call on you on anything about Dragon age origins "sport" (why do you spam condescending words exactly? its factual and you have proven that by experiance your the youngest and least skilled debator on here and trying to condescend anyone is a wasted effort, especially against me 😉 )

Originally posted by quanchi112
It did and I am right as rain which is why he won't take the legacy of kain bet which proves I know more about the lok characters than he does.

Then he should take the bet. I unlike him prove why Kain can't solo armies with in game facts whereas he just claims things without anything to back them up. It's not a surprise you find him knowledgeable.

It proves that I wont take a bet, thats all really. The fact I am the only one with evidence and knowledge of the lore kinda blows you out of the water at this point.

😆 "unlike him prove"? when have you proven anything in games vs so far?, you have NO in-game facts at all boyo.

Originally posted by Burning thought
pierced and cut up by normal human weapons? held by beings of normal human strength? ...yeh, really really weak.

You know what I mean, theres at least 3 that attack him but the point is, only 4 people, (the players team which can consist of at most 2 grey wardens) are present in the cutscene.

Yeh he has the strength and Kains repelled it completly. The difference is Kain cant repel the reavers damage as its his weakness.

Abominations dont know all the powers of mages, infact iirc a lot of them seemed to just melee or had their own unique power set.

Its a lie because the casters are featless in reaction and speed, Kain has a lot of it by comparison. Your lieing because your claiming they can hit him with slow casting spells when he can mist, teleport and simply outmove them.

I have proven they can, you talking BS and denying everything does not counter my evidence (the only evidence in this thread, is on my side).

Every claim you have so far made lacks evidence, start by proving something.

I have a video showing Kain being slashed without damage above, by someone stronger than the whole of Fereldon.

What is this gibberish? you did not even counter my point...

😆 when even my previous enemies support me I dont think you have any case here, apprently floundering like a fish out of water while shouting out game mechanics and events out of chronological order as points replaces me as a Kain supporter? 🙄

You least of all could replace anyone on this forum as any supporter, I would certainly never call on you on anything about Dragon age origins "sport" (why do you spam condescending words exactly? its factual and you have proven that by experiance your the youngest and least skilled debator on here and trying to condescend anyone is a wasted effort, especially against me 😉 )

It proves that I wont take a bet, thats all really. The fact I am the only one with evidence and knowledge of the lore kinda blows you out of the water at this point.

😆 "unlike him prove"? [b]when have you proven anything in games vs so far?, you have NO in-game facts at all boyo. [/B]

No, it depends on what you do you can call in mini armies and still fight him but you ignore the damage he took prior to and the forces he went through prior to and act like a warden just went up and killed him. You ignore context all the time, sporto.

Except for that time Raziel wanted to kill him and Kain failed to hold him off. Out with his heart I say. That to me doesn't look like he's very durable to me.

Which claims ? Are you incapable of actually providing substance ? You seem like you can't even respond with intelligence and continue to avoid a real debate at all costs and want to speak in generalities not specifics.

You haven't proven Raziel is above anyone. We also saw him rip out his heart when he wanted to proving it's easily accomplished with the right intent and the right opening.

What point did I fail to counter ?

Then take the bet. If you think he can solo armies you have nothing to worry about I am sure amy hennig will say of course Kain can solo any army despite that never occurring or anything even close to it in all five games.

You don't even know what a grey warden is I had to mock you then explain it. You don't even know anything about the game and seem to be generally confused about the entire game itself. If you'd speak with intelligence and not make ridiculous claims then maybe I'd go easier on you.

You have posted zero evidence. I stated a fact Kain fled from any army and the second time we see him meet an army in battle he has one of his own. Nowhere in any game is it even hinted at he can attempt to take on any of these armies by any stretch of the imagination.

More drivel from you. I proved Kain doesn't take on armies without one of his own which he lost. 😂 😂 😂

KAIN IS 0-2 AGAINST ARMIES.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He fought against forces whereas Kain had ran from [B]HUMAN FORCES. This makes him cowardly whereas the archdemon went to war he didn't ravel in time to avoid a confrontation.

No, it depends on what you do you can call in mini armies and still fight him but you ignore the damage he took prior to and the forces he went through prior to and act like a warden just went up and killed him. You ignore context all the time, sporto.

Except for that time Raziel wanted to kill him and Kain failed to hold him off. Out with his heart I say. That to me doesn't look like he's very durable to me.

Which claims ? Are you incapable of actually providing substance ? You seem like you can't even respond with intelligence and continue to avoid a real debate at all costs and want to speak in generalities not specifics.

You haven't proven Raziel is above anyone. We also saw him rip out his heart when he wanted to proving it's easily accomplished with the right intent and the right opening.

What point did I fail to counter ?

Then take the bet. If you think he can solo armies you have nothing to worry about I am sure amy hennig will say of course Kain can solo any army despite that never occurring or anything even close to it in all five games.

You don't even know what a grey warden is I had to mock you then explain it. You don't even know anything about the game and seem to be generally confused about the entire game itself. If you'd speak with intelligence and not make ridiculous claims then maybe I'd go easier on you.

You have posted zero evidence. I stated a fact Kain fled from any army and the second time we see him meet an army in battle he has one of his own. Nowhere in any game is it even hinted at he can attempt to take on any of these armies by any stretch of the imagination.

More drivel from you. I proved Kain doesn't take on armies without one of his own which he lost. 😂 😂 😂

KAIN IS 0-2 AGAINST ARMIES. [/B]

No it does not, because Blood omen 1 Kain avoided the army of the nemesis it makes him a coward? Kains fought through the entire Sarafan keep several times, once to get to moebius, the other to get to the Sarafan Lord. Its canon, as for the Archdemon ,he was attacked and wounded by a handfull of men.

Except for that time Kain was damaged, weakened and slashed across the chest. Kain stands invulnerable when at full strength against Raziels claws in an actual FMV.

all claims quote the video/website that supports you then if you fail to see how youve not showed evidence?

😆 you fail, respect thread on Raziel says otherwise.

I am sure amy herring wont respond to such a daft question at all considering Kain makes humans his play things and even the children of vampires in his era see the more technological humans as play things.

Apart from the only video in the thread, e.g. evidence, are you blind young Quanchi?

Kain is by himself and he would slaughter Fereldon, he may even breathe like into the Archdemon and use it as a new vampire son.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No it does not, because Blood omen 1 Kain avoided the army of the nemesis it makes him a coward? Kains fought through the entire Sarafan keep several times, once to get to moebius, the other to get to the Sarafan Lord. Its canon, as for the Archdemon ,he was attacked and wounded by a handfull of men.

Except for that time Kain was damaged, weakened and slashed across the chest. Kain stands invulnerable when at full strength against Raziels claws in an actual FMV.

[b]all claims quote the video/website that supports you then if you fail to see how youve not showed evidence?

😆 you fail, respect thread on Raziel says otherwise.

I am sure amy herring wont respond to such a daft question at all considering Kain makes humans his play things and even the children of vampires in his era see the more technological humans as play things.

Apart from the only video in the thread, e.g. evidence, are you blind young Quanchi?

Kain is by himself and he would slaughter Fereldon, he may even breathe like into the Archdemon and use it as a new vampire son. [/B]

He isn't able to stop Raziel's claws when he wants him dead only when he has his guard up and doesn't allow it.

What claims have I stated which are incorrect ? You played the game so call me on something. You can't as I don't lie I just dominate.

Your delusions say otherwise whereas reality and his portrayal is consistent with my views not your own.

If she won't respond then accept the bet. Why are you so scared ?

You posted something we are both aware of and posting it was a waste of time.

Kain has never solo'd an army in fact he's 0-2. Once he fled which you deem him a coward and the next time WITH AN ARMY he got crushed.

Great logic there, kid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, by your own standards him fleeing against an army he could well have solo'd makes him a coward. He never took on the sarafan as an army except the time he marched against them with his own in blood omen 2. You mistake him taking on small numbers of them in the game as taking on an army you foolish child.

He isn't able to stop Raziel's claws when he wants him dead only when he has his guard up and doesn't allow it.

What claims have I stated which are incorrect ? You played the game so call me on something. You can't as I don't lie I just dominate.

Your delusions say otherwise whereas reality and his portrayal is consistent with my views not your own.

If she won't respond then accept the bet. Why are you so scared ?

You posted something we are both aware of and posting it was a waste of time.

Kain has never solo'd an army in fact he's 0-2. Once he fled which you deem him a coward and the next time WITH AN ARMY he got crushed.

Great logic there, kid.

No it doesnt, he does not even flee, did you play the games? he escaped a battle, BO1 Kain this is, not current Kain so the point is moot. I am not even sure if Kain meant to be teleported, but throughout the battle against the Nemesis' armies Kain comments on how hes ripping through "hordes" and drinking the blood of groups of soldiers who attack him even after King Ottomars army had fled. No, I dont mistake anything because I did not say him taking on small numbers=an army. Your ignorant to the game, replay it.

You did not counter my points, just spammed your last one. Counter or gtfo of this thread.

If the aim of this thread was to make the most daft number of unbacked claims then yes you dominate, but considering the point is to make backed arguments you fail miserably. Go and prove the strength of Ogres and Golems.

Delusions? reality? I have two respect threads, one for each Raziel and Kain that prove with video evidence from the games that he and kain see Fereldon as jokes.

Why are you so scared of getting the evidence in the first place?

Clearly your not aware of it otherwise you would realise Kain cannot be harmed by men tapping at him uselessly with their weapons.

In the first one he battled the army, he left through time streaming device which I wonder if it was an accident. He got beaten by the Sarafan lord, not the army. You also have no understanding of the Lok chronology, your talking as if Blood omen 1 and 2 Kain, is the same as current Kain.

The only logic is coming from me, unlike you.