Originally posted by srankmissingninI was thinking more along the lines that no one can measure up to her raw experience, and equipment. Even if you sum up Marvel team “experience” into a single entity, it still pales in comparison to the Millennium(s) worth of life experience in combat.
I don't know about that. Sure, it's impressive she fought Majestic... but only so long as you don't look at the context. The only reason that those fights worked is because Majestic didn't use any of his extensive super speed... and under the same stips you could pretty much plug all of these characters into those fights with similar results. He jobbed.
Experience certainly mattered, when Zealot compared Midnighters million combat simulation to her own personal combat experience. So yes I would say experience matters, especially Coda Warriors the likes of Zealot or Nemesis. They apply themes of combat in nearly every part of the their long life’s.
You need to keep in mind that you need to factor in all attributes, because this isn’t a comic book but a forum fantasy fight.
Originally posted by "Id"
Experience certainly mattered, when Zealot compared Midnighters million combat simulation to her own personal combat experience. So yes I would say experience matters, especially Coda Warriors the likes of Zealot or Nemesis. They apply themes of combat in nearly every part of the their long life’s.You need to keep in mind that you need to factor in all attributes, because this isn’t a comic book but a forum fantasy fight.
Like I said though - Wolverine has already triumphed over someone with several Millennia of combat experience.
Even Zealot has been up staged by Agent Orange. He is - what? - a class 5-10 FBI cyborg, not a Millennia old super ninja and he is the one who killed the Coda's elite super assassin the Grand Sarin (who has beat Zealot), and has beat down Grifter twice.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Like I said though - Wolverine has already triumphed over someone with several Millennia of combat experience.Even Zealot has been up staged by Agent Orange. He is - what? - a class 5-10 FBI cyborg, not a Millennia old super ninja and he is the one who killed the Coda's elite super assassin the Grand Sarin (who has beat Zealot), and has beat down Grifter twice.
Like I said.
Experience certainly mattered, when Zealot compared Midnighters million combat simulation to her own personal combat experience. So yes I would say experience matters, especially Coda Warriors the likes of Zealot or Nemesis. They apply themes of combat in nearly every part of the their long life’s.You need to keep in mind that you need to factor in all attributes, because this isn’t a comic book but a forum fantasy fight.
Originally posted by "Id"
Like I said.
I've told you why it doesn't mater in Marvel and in Wildstorm... you haven't told me why it does.
Midnighter's combat computers come up with an average of 4 winning scenarios against nobody fodder by his own admission and there are on panel examples of it coming up with zero wins already.... it's not as though Zealot edging him out is a huge check mark in the experience category...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I've told you why it doesn't mater in Marvel and in Wildstorm... you haven't told me why it does.Midnighter's combat computers come up with an average of 4 winning scenarios against nobody fodder by his own admission and there are on panel examples of it coming up with zero wins already.... it's not as though Zealot edging him out is a huge check mark in the experience category...
Actually I have told you why it does. You simply choose to dismiss my example, because you don’t think much of Midnighter to begin with.
Originally posted by "Id"
Actually I have told you why it does. You simply choose to dismiss my example, because you don’t think much of Midnighter to begin with.
Even if we pretend it is impressive, its not like she completely tooled Midnighter... so we are back at experience doesn't count for that much anyway.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even if we pretend it is impressive, its not like she completely tooled Midnighter... so we are back at experience doesn't count for that much anyway.
Of course its not impressive for you. You don’t think much of Midnighter to begin with. Few follow this sentiment, including myself. So I am not even going to bother in arguing chocolate over vanilla. What is impressive is how Midnighters edge in the form of millions combat simulation was effectively cut down, thanks to Zealot experience.
Originally posted by "Id"
Of course its not impressive for you. You don’t think much of Midnighter to begin with. Few follow this sentiment, including myself. So I am not even going to bother in arguing chocolate over vanilla. What is impressive is how Midnighters edge in the form of millions combat simulation was effectively cut down, thanks to Zealot experience.
You are trying to make a case that experienced is a significant factor so you need to come up with something better than fact that Zealot edged out Midnighter in a fight. Grifter stalemated Midnighter the last time they fought too... that's what happens when he fights real characters.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are trying to make a case that experienced is a significant factor so you need to come up with something better than fact that Zealot edged out Midnighter in a fight. Grifter stalemated Midnighter the last time they fought too... that's what happens when he fights real characters.
I cant make a better case, when the comic spoon feeds you why experience is heavily emphasized in actual combat. If that is not enough to sell my point to consider, than I am clearly wasting my time with you.
Def. but its also an excellent offensive abilities like say he can very well stay in mist form and fight that way or mist and di-mist an opponent inside someone for KO.. He pretty much was able or did this in his pre-kherubim days..
It should still work on Wolverine as well, it work on Dane w/ symbiotes but if it does not, its a good way to separate Wolverine's flesh from his adamantium bones.. His pretty much uber for a meta with CIS off..