Originally posted by illadelph12
I agree;Surfer is billions of times faster than Mjolnir. It shouldn't catch him. 😛
Originally posted by Nihilist
You never counter anything at all, its just WWH wins he becomes stronger than them..the end, hell you constantly get mocked for your pro Hulk argument, even in this thread for instance.
just calm down, these are flippin' comics we're discussing 😐.
Originally posted by illadelph12
People will accept whatever supports their dog in the fight, and call anything else PIS.The paradox is that EVERYTHING that occurs in comics is PIS because every action is part of a plotted story, and the forum is supposed to be a Plot Free environment.
I rather like the escapism of comics.
Originally posted by janus77Anger lol, its pity for the likes of you, ive owned in every WWH related thread youve posted in with you one track argument. After a while you always resort to being whiny ass claiming "oh your insulting" when you do the same thing when someone says WWH/Hulk doesnt win.
you throwing around insults =/= "mocked".
I doubt you have either the skill or the patience, given the seething anger that your 'replies' are filled with.just calm down, these are flippin' comics we're discussing 😐.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Anger lol, its pity for the likes of you, ive owned in every WWH related thread youve posted in with you one track argument. After a while you always resort to being whiny ass claiming "oh your insulting" when you do the same thing when someone says WWH/Hulk doesnt win.
your conception of owned is pretty much as grounded in reality as the comics we're discussing. I do hope you know that, that these comics and characters aren't real. right?
Originally posted by janus77So you being bored=loosing the debate.
no, I only resort to mocking when I'm bored.your conception of owned is pretty much as grounded in reality as the comics we're discussing. I do hope you know that, that these comics and characters aren't real. right?
LMFAO coming from the boy that has a hissy fit when posters dont agree that Hulk wins.
Originally posted by janus77
and classic Surfer wouldn't be able to slug it out with Savage Hulk indefinitely either, which is why he either attempts to calm him down or to gamma drain him.
There is no proof that Surfer couldn't slug it out with Savage Hulk. The only thing the scene proved was that the Surfer could tank Savage's Hulks hits easily and could drain him of his Gamma energies. Anything else is speculation.
He only used weakness exploit cuz that's basically what he does and it IS far more convenient.
Originally posted by janus77
yes Current Surfer is a lot more powerful, determined and durable, Annihilation hinted at "Thanos level" power output.but that doesn't mean he can take on Hulk in what is essentially going to descend into H2H. Hell, you have Savage Hulk outright over powering Thor and it being admitted that it takes Thor + Mjolnir to match up... so I just don't see Surfer being beyond Hulk, when it comes to H2H (obviously I don't see it being a quick fight).
Why the hell is it going to descend into H2H?? :-/ Let's get one thing straight. This ISN'T going to go H2H. Surfer is prolly just going to weakness exploit Hulk or simply use like any of the hundred OTHER non-retarded options available to him. :-/
Originally posted by janus77
apparently Hulk's fast enough to catch Sentry with a fist to the face, as he comes in for a bullrush 😐 it shouldn't happen, but Surfer does get tagged by inferior opponents. it would be a no contest if he operated in fights like he does in space against armadas (or in the microverse against computer signals). I just don't consider it worth debating. this is meant to be a fight, they have a history of tagging each other, go on from there. or else just declare any match up between Thor and Surfer PIS (because Surfer is billions of times faster than Mjolnir so that should never touch him at all).
Sentry fought him H2H. Surfer will not. Thor tags the Surfer because he has other options OTHER than H2H and he can fly. Hulk does not. Why are you having trouble grasping this idea?
Originally posted by janus77
Thousands of feet? sure he can (and has) affect such a distance. his energy fields spread across miles, his thunderclaps are powerful enough to deflect dimension destroying blasts and to floor Thor and other Avengers from a distance.
You seem to miss the part about Surfer moving away from the thunderclap while this happens. :-/
Originally posted by janus77
this is all pre-Loeb, not his fault you have preconceptions about what the character can and can't do, that are radically lower than Marvel's depictions 😐.
I'm not the one with the preconceptions, you are. The only feat current Hulk has to his name is thunderclapping Red Hulk and you seem to be already placing him at Sub-Skyfather levels. Sigh.
And btw. This is WWH. Not current Hulk. Different arcs, different power levels.
Heck, here's a step-by-step way the Surfer can win w/o breaking a sweat:
Step 1. Surfer flies to the upper atmosphere.
Step 2. Surfer turns himself intangible and invisible.
Step 3. Surfer slowly uses his PC to calm Hulk's rage.
Step 4. Hulk reverts to Banner.
Step 5. Surfer uses his PC to switch off Banner's mind and make him sleep.
Step 6. Win.
Skaar is a nonfactor here.
I don't know what the problem is but everyone needs to calm down.
And people don't get to use a character as they see fit. Debates have to fit within a combatants character profile and feats must be backed by on panel evidence.
There's too much of "character A will use option B" right at the get go or "character A has power set C" when it's not in the character's personality or shown anywhere panel.