Originally posted by King Castle
it be funny of certain 1st world governments had made giant strides in various sciences and technology where the vatican's beliefs became backwards almost immediately.ppl being taught about history by temporal windows... lo and behold no bejesus in the BC era or after no matter how hard we look for it..
wealth becomes less important and their influence no longer enough to refute world facts...
No fact can stand against belief.
Originally posted by King Castle
You totally missed my point. We went to the moon in the late 60's. That is a fact, but there are people who believe that we did not go to the moon. For these people fact does not sway belief. The same is true about religion. Fact does not always sway people to abandon belief. Therefore, it is impossible to be rid of religion.
that's b/c not all the facts have bn presented to ppl in a way that they can understand..
if ancient pp were to walk up to a 7 eleven and the door opened they would think it was done by god. i wouldnt say it wasnt god and leave it at that, i would have to explain the science i would need to teach them how it operates and how it was done....
till they are capable of grasping the basic science and mechanics of it..
instance, some ppl dont think we went to the moon but we know we have since there is a mirror placed on the moon to measure its distance with lasers.. hence, we have evidence that can be used to show our views as fact.
Originally posted by King Castle
that's b/c not all the facts have bn presented to ppl in a way that they can understand..
What Shaky is saying is unfortunately true; especially when it comes to religion. People will believe what they want/need to believe, no matter how clearly and logically you can show them something to the contrary.
EG, A large number of people believe that the Earth is only around 6k years old, despite the vast evidence of erosion, orogeny, carbon dating etc. showing that it would be outright impossible for the Earth to only be 6k years old. Faith > Fact, to some
Originally posted by King Castle
that's b/c not all the facts have bn presented to ppl in a way that they can understand..if ancient pp were to walk up to a 7 eleven and the door opened they would think it was done by god. i wouldnt say it wasnt god and leave it at that, i would have to explain the science i would need to teach them how it operates and how it was done....
till they are capable of grasping the basic science and mechanics of it..
instance, some ppl dont think we went to the moon but we know we have since there is a mirror placed on the moon to measure its distance with lasers.. hence, we have evidence that can be used to show our views as fact.
You are asking someone to give up something of value for nothing.
Originally posted by Robtardonly b/c he hasnt taken science courses to explain how each method is a viable and accurate indicators...
What Shaky is saying is unfortunately true; especially when it comes to religion. People will believe what they want/need to believe, no matter how clearly and logically you can show them something to the contrary.EG, A large number of people believe that the Earth is only around 6k years old, despite the vast evidence of erosion, orogeny, carbon dating etc. showing that it would be outright impossible for the Earth to only be 6k years old. Faith > Fact, to some
again ppl need to be told more then just "no it isnt" they need to be shown and walked through it. some ppl just dont have the patients to teach them from an elementary lvl and up and others dont have the patients nor desire to listen or learn.
hence, ppl like myself and various others we have the intellectual capacity to be doctors, lawyers, physicist but we have other interest hence, we dont care and lack the education required for us to make informed thoughts/opinions....
Originally posted by King Castle
only b/c he hasnt taken science courses to explain how each method is a viable and accurate indicators...again ppl need to be told more then just "no it isnt" they need to be shown and walked through it. some ppl just dont have the patients to teach them from an elementary lvl and up and others dont have the patients nor desire to listen or learn.
hence, ppl like myself and various others we have the intellectual capacity to be doctors, lawyers, physicist but we have other interest hence, we dont care and lack the education required for us to make informed thoughts/opinions....
I'm sure you could find cases were people where swayed, but I've personally have spoken with people who are both intelligent and logical, yet will not sway in religious beliefs, no matter how factual evidence is presented. They even read an educated themselves on the material, yet their faith supersedes anything else.
well if it is believing in a Gawd who is behind creation that's cool, imo.. cant refute it scientifically.
but, some one arguing that the earth is flat and not round is another thing.
severely lack of education and woefully ignorant..
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm sure you could find cases were people where swayed, but I've personally have spoken with people who are both intelligent and logical, yet will not sway in religious beliefs, no matter how factual evidence is presented. They even read an educated themselves on the material, yet their faith supersedes anything else.
What kind of evidence are you talking about?
Or do you mean dinosaur bones/evolution etc?
Originally posted by -Pr-
What kind of evidence are you talking about?Or do you mean dinosaur bones/evolution etc?
Established measures, like the examples I used for dating the Earth, granted, could it be off some considering the amount of time we're dealing with? Sure, but I think we can safely say that the Earth isn't just several thousand years old.
Some people despite the evidence refuse to accept anything other than the 6k year old claim which is based on loose biblical calculations, due to faith.
Originally posted by Robtard
Established measures, like the examples I used for dating the Earth, granted, could it be off some considering the amount of time we're dealing with? Sure, but I think we can safely say that the Earth isn't just several thousand years old.Some people despite the evidence refuse to accept anything other than the 6k year old claim which is based on loose biblical calculations, due to faith.
Oh... Well that's just silly...
Originally posted by Robtard
What Shaky is saying is unfortunately true; especially when it comes to religion. People will believe what they want/need to believe, no matter how clearly and logically you can show them something to the contrary.EG, A large number of people believe that the Earth is only around 6k years old, despite the vast evidence of erosion, orogeny, carbon dating etc. showing that it would be outright impossible for the Earth to only be 6k years old. Faith > Fact, to some
Carbon dating works in determining things that are old up to 50 000. Anything over that, it fails.
But I suppose it, at least, proves Earth is not 7 000 years old or 6 000 or whatever Abrahamists believe.
Castle's earlier nonsense about a Utopia is rather laughable, and also scary. Your premise is easily defeated: First and most importantly, "desirable" traits are arbitrary and subjective. You wouldn't be selecting the best traits, you'd be selecting what only you believe to be the best traits. It wouldn't be an improvement, it would just be a change. Second, diseases mutate. Selecting for stronger immune systems would just speed up bacterial and viral natural selection, making them stronger. The likeliest outcome of such an attempt would be to inadvertently create a super-virus that decimates the world's population. Third, working toward an appearance standardization would likely result in more of the mutations you're trying to avoid. The more removed people are genetically, the less likely they are to share recessive mutations. You'd compound the problem, and create a metaphoric cultural incest. Fourth, achievement is not always genetic. You might have some success in athletics, but mixed-to-no success in acedamia or general "life success" (also arbitrarily judged, btw).
You also talk about making it "as nature intended." Nature's a f*cking b*tch. We're MUCH better off now than we were when natural selection meant more to the human race. If you want to strip us of civilization and return to a barbaric pursuit of genetic improvement, well, that's pretty messed up.
Finally, your way of running such a utopia would strip people of freedom. You would be dictating how people lived, an offense justified by no end. Your ideals would fail, you'd be killed, and the world would be better for it. F*** that utopia. Sounds more like hell to me. The funny part is how delusional you are, and the scary part is that you aren't the only person whose idea of a perfect world is so f****d up.
it was just a want not something i would ever back or do, stop ruining and stomping on my dreams they are not hurting anyone..
why cant you ever let me have anything around here?
also ppl can still mate with anyone in the world i just expect that they are physically fit and mentally capable an able to learn.. basically no weak, soft, fat, crazy or genetically flawed ppl... aka mental retardation, extreme cases of autism, hearts being born outside their bodies at birth, missing appendages.. you know the undesirable and meant to die by nature but live only due to modern meddling.
also no slimy politicians of any kind their traits should be purged from the gene pool entirely.