Dawkins sticks it to the Pope

Originally posted by inimalist
just taking a moment to cosign "science and technology wont destroy belief and religion"

why?

facts are irrifutable. you'd have to be either ignorant on purpose or an absolute imbecile to deny actual evidence or factual proof that you can hold and see and examine. no matter how devout a person is, you cannot deny something that is clearly "there".

less people believe in God more than ever before because of what science and technological advancements have proven. along with what religious people haven't proven. it's only a matter of time until the destruction of belief and religion happens because of advance science and technological developements.

it won't happen overnight and maybe not even in my lifetime but i'll die a happy man knowing that it will happen.

For a former raging racist and discriminator, you're awfully optimistic about the average person's intellectuality.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
why?

facts are irrifutable. you'd have to be either ignorant on purpose or an absolute imbecile to deny actual evidence or factual proof that you can hold and see and examine. no matter how devout a person is, you cannot deny something that is clearly "there".

less people believe in God more than ever before because of what science and technological advancements have proven. along with what religious people haven't proven. it's only a matter of time until the destruction of belief and religion happens because of advance science and technological developements.

it won't happen overnight and maybe not even in my lifetime but i'll die a happy man knowing that it will happen.

FACT: you don't believe in science because you are smart

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
why?

facts are irrifutable. you'd have to be either ignorant on purpose or an absolute imbecile to deny actual evidence or factual proof that you can hold and see and examine. no matter how devout a person is, you cannot deny something that is clearly "there".

The problem is religious people can dream up endless scenarious to fit their "God" into any situation which may occur or be discovered by science, mainly because they are deaply dissalussional probably due to brainwashed from an early age.

An alien space ship could arrive and the occupants bring about clear evidence that they started it all off to help us, that they genetically altered us or whatever. These would then be deemed fallen angels trying to mislead the earth.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
For a former raging racist and discriminator, you're awfully optimistic about the average person's intellectuality.

I lol'd!

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
For a former raging racist and discriminator, you're awfully optimistic about the average person's intellectuality.

I'm not too sure about the former part, but that's otherwise a good point.

Originally posted by King Castle
my views are tempered by my philosophical MA zen upbringing and my respect of the constitution. my beliefs would never allow me to support hitler nor any of his views even if deep down i wanted to....

plus, i dont agree that being Nordic is the perfect race nor do i think any one race is the ideal human..

my belief is to combine the best of various racist to create the perfect human... great physical attributes, intelligent mind, strong immune system no genetic disposition to genetic flaws/disease..

cosmetic outward appearance would be a bonus but of no real importance... i personally prefer: a cinnamon color tan, green or blue eyes.. light brown hair with high lights, high cheek bones, 5'9 to 6'3.

i know who i would want to eliminate and where to start but, never would i act upon it.. but, if war were to occur for other reasons i would see it as a good thing seeing as it would be one step closer to my goals..

http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/23559

honestly i would be non violate in my approach mostly setting up laws of who can procreate and why.... ppl with severe genetic flaws where children have a high chance of being born severely handicap would not be allowed to have children. if they did i would sterilize them at birth....

i would idolize and reward ppl who had the traits i admired and wanted from giving them scholarships in sports/schools or private government programs which would be military oriented with high standards...

if ppl didnt want to live in my society they can leave...

it would be beautiful world a Utopia where the strong would survive as nature intended... no more would the weak and cowardly live by and leech off those meant to survive.

I saw the following today and thought of you:
http://xkcd.com/603/

Make sure to read the scrollover text. It's basically how I feel about your stupid plan. We're making progress and life is pretty awesome, despite whatever flaws you find with it.

to be fair though, every prof I've ever spoken to, and there is a fairly tall stack of research supporting it, does lament, at the very least, the loss of importance put on personal academic/intellectual achievement and the consequences thereof.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
why?

facts are irrifutable. you'd have to be either ignorant on purpose or an absolute imbecile to deny actual evidence or factual proof that you can hold and see and examine. no matter how devout a person is, you cannot deny something that is clearly "there".

less people believe in God more than ever before because of what science and technological advancements have proven. along with what religious people haven't proven. it's only a matter of time until the destruction of belief and religion happens because of advance science and technological developements.

it won't happen overnight and maybe not even in my lifetime but i'll die a happy man knowing that it will happen.

The only reason that people want to disprove Gods existence (which they can't) is so they can let go of the last remnants of resposibility for their behavior. When a person lies to themself about something that they themselves did being "natural selection" or "survival of the fittest" when they really just chose to be evil, the elimination of a judge that can punish them is a comforting idea.

I'm not a zealot but there's an obvious spirit world that is just as much a mystery as the physical world that we still have only seen less than 1% of. They co-exist and we'll never understand either fully in this world.

Disproving God is as impossible to do as disproving the fact that it's all just a dream. As ridiculous as that sounds humans have the God given gift to believe what they choose to believe....and when you destroy that, that's when you can say that you've destroyed faith. Good luck with that by the way. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER
...The only reason that people want to disprove Gods existence (which they can't) is so they can let go of the last remnants of resposibility for their behavior. ...

That seems backward to me. It seems that the reason people look for a god is to try and find someone to blame for their actions. "The devil made me do it" is just one example.

Originally posted by The MISTER
The only reason that people want to disprove Gods existence (which they can't) is so they can let go of the last remnants of resposibility for their behavior. When a person lies to themself about something that they themselves did being "natural selection" or "survival of the fittest" when they really just chose to be evil, the elimination of a judge that can punish them is a comforting idea.

Wow, and here I thought the people who equate Darwinism with Evil, and who believe that non-theists have no moral responsibility, only existed in fundamentalist church meetings and propaganda literature.

The paragraph I quoted of yours is false, plain and simple. The reasons why are too numerous to list, and I lament only that such ignorance is latched onto as a way of justifying belief systems and slandering the non-religious.

Originally posted by Digi
Wow, and here I thought the people who equate Darwinism with Evil, and who believe that non-theists have no moral responsibility, only existed in fundamentalist church meetings and propaganda literature.

The paragraph I quoted of yours is false, plain and simple. The reasons why are too numerous to list, and I lament only that such ignorance is latched onto as a way of justifying belief systems and slandering the non-religious.