Originally posted by StiltmanFTWEven my grandma has a respect thread. I just think people see him as a mindless guy who just slashes... he has gotten a jump and he is really tougher (not so much before IMO) that's what I meant.
What are you talking about? He has a respect thread here and everyone knows he's one of Parker's tougher foes.
Originally posted by SamZEDWell, of course they wouldn't fight Lizard. It seems like he just amplifies this instinct in people, I can't remember if I actually read this comic or not, is it recent?
It pretty much turned everyone in NY into idiots with lizard brains. People would run if there's a threat to their lives and only fight each other over "females". Not sure if its selective but they wouldnt attack Lizard himself if that's what you're wondering.Can think of like 10 times when Spider-man broke free from mind control. But that's not the point, meditation has nothing to do with it, it's a genetics thing, you cant beat that with your power of will or concentration.
Originally posted by SamZED
It pretty much turned everyone in NY into idiots with lizard brains. People would run if there's a threat to their lives and only fight each other over "females". Not sure if its selective but they wouldnt attack Lizard himself if that's what you're wondering.Can think of like 10 times when Spider-man broke free from mind control. But that's not the point, meditation has nothing to do with it, it's a genetics thing, you cant beat that with your power of will or concentration.
Doom could😖hifty:
Originally posted by MindsetYeah, 4-5 ASM issues ago. Can't say its a good read.
Well, of course they wouldn't fight Lizard. It seems like he just amplifies this instinct in people, I can't remember if I actually read this comic or not, is it recent?
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixDoom could do anything and anyone.. except Squirrel Girl. But he's working on it...
Doom could😖hifty:
wtf is wrong with people? lizard during his entire career was taken out by black cat , kraven the hunter , and was injured badly by freakin vermin all physically, lizard doesnt know a crap about fighting he is just a vicious animal that will try to cut and slice those kind of characters never win against skilled fighters, shang chi is one of the best fighters in marvel he is as skilled as iron fist if not a little bit more he is not as powerful as iron fist but skill wise he is at least his equal and saying he will lose to some huge lizard that gets his ass kicked by people with half the skills shang has? wtf is wrong with you? or is it because shang is asian you racist f^cks? anyway shang chi wins way too skilled will avoid anything lizard will try to throw at him and beat him with 1 deadly strike to the nerves
Originally posted by paradisu
wtf is wrong with people? lizard during his entire career was taken out by black cat , kraven the hunter , and was injured badly by freakin vermin all physically, lizard doesnt know a crap about fighting he is just a vicious animal that will try to cut and slice those kind of characters never win against skilled fighters, shang chi is one of the best fighters in marvel he is as skilled as iron fist if not a little bit more he is not as powerful as iron fist but skill wise he is at least his equal and saying he will lose to some huge lizard that gets his ass kicked by people with half the skills shang has? wtf is wrong with you? or is it because shang is asian you racist f^cks? anyway shang chi wins way too skilled will avoid anything lizard will try to throw at him and beat him with 1 deadly strike to the nerves
Yeah, his nerve strikes will definitely KO someone with bullet-proof skin. Yeah, he'll definitely beat someone who can contend with Spider-Man all day in speed and strength.
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Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Yeah, his nerve strikes will definitely KO someone with bullet-proof skin. Yeah, he'll definitely beat someone who can contend with Spider-Man all day in speed and strength.😆
Yes he very well could nerve strike him, shang-chi can amp his strength well beyond beyond human levels.
I don't think you have very great knowledge of shang-chi. He can amp his abilities to superhuman levels through chi manipulation and can even uses range attacks with it.
also come on man it quite obvous that dude you quoted is both a sock and a troll.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Yeah, his nerve strikes will definitely KO someone with bullet-proof skin. Yeah, he'll definitely beat someone who can contend with Spider-Man all day in speed and strength.😆
first of all if shang chi secret techniques were able to hurt the thing , man thing, and take out a robot with his bar hands then lizard is a joke to him, shang chi is far more skilled than spider-man and what he lacks in speed and strength he will achieve with skills because he may not have super human strength but dont forget he can chi amp his strikes and he broke a robot with his bare hands and hurt both thing and man thing with leathal strikes so your argument just went out of the window
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Shang-chi has hung with spiderman and had not trouble keeping up with his speed.
I doubt Spider-Man was going all-out. He almost never does so, which is exactly why trained martial arts are able to hit him in the first place.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes he very well could nerve strike him, shang-chi can amp his strength well beyond beyond human levels.
If Spider-Man hurt his fists punching Lizard, then he would have to amp far beyond peak-human to anything.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I don't think you have very great knowledge of shang-chi. He can amp his abilities to superhuman levels through chi manipulation and can even uses range attacks with it.
I don't think Shang-Chi is Iron Fist, but you seem to have the two confused. 😛
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
I doubt Spider-Man was going all-out. He almost never does so, which is exactly why trained martial arts are able to hit him in the first place.If Spider-Man hurt his fists punching Lizard, then he would have to amp far beyond peak-human to anything.
I don't think Shang-Chi is Iron Fist, but you seem to have the two confused. 😛
ye ye spider-man never goes all out but it doesnt mean he is enjoying getting his ass kicked, if spider-man isnt going all out that means he pulls back his punches but he still can and should avoid being hit so getting hit got nothing to do with going all out or holding back because he still doesnt want to get hurt or hit
spider-man hurting his fists on lizard doesnt mean shit we are talking about shang chi here not the geeky spider-man that breaks his arms from falling off a building and getting his arm snapped by freakin jigsaw who is a peak human, shang chi doesnt use fists he is using techniques that meant to hurt super durable beings like he did to the thing , man thing, and a doombot so unless you think that lizard is more durable then all those better shut up
again you are dumb for not knowing the simple fact that shang chi can chi amp his punches and abilities as well
Originally posted by paradisu
first of all if shang chi secret techniques were able to hurt the thing , man thing, and take out a robot with his bare hands then lizard is a joke to him, shang chi is far more skilled than spider-man and what he lacks in speed and strength he will achieve with skills because he may not have super human strength but dont forget he can chi amp his strikes and he broke a robot with his bare hands and hurt both thing and man thing with leathal strikes so your argument just went out of the window
Which is irrelevant unless you specify which version of the Thing he hurt, because Grimm was not that impressive in his early years.
Nevermind, I found the scans. LOL at "hurt the Thing". He didn't do jack to him besides tip him off-balance.
Originally posted by paradisu
Man Thing
Again, irrelevant unless you specify which version of Man-Thing. His early appearances put him at Cap's level in terms of strength, and his durability is not amazing. It's just problematic to dismantle him because of his composition. Plus Thing and Man-Thing are much slower than the Lizard.
Originally posted by paradisu
and take out a robot with his bare hands
A Doom-Bot, which screwed up his hands badly.
Originally posted by paradisu
shang chi is far more skilled than spider-man and what he lacks in speed and strength he will achieve with skills
Spider-Man makes up for his lacking in H2H skills with his reflexes and speed. Everyone knows that. Kingpin has been able to catch and tag Spider-Man in the past, and that doesn't give him a ghost of a chance against Lizard either.
The fight between Spider-Man and Shang-Chi ended in a draw because Spider-Man stood still while the latter was flying towards him. Then they talked out their differences.
Originally posted by paradisu
ye ye spider-man never goes all out but it doesnt mean he is enjoying getting his ass kicked, if spider-man isnt going all out that means he pulls back his punches but he still can and should avoid being hit so getting hit got nothing to do with going all out or holding back because he still doesnt want to get hurt or hit
If Spider-Man wasn't holding back during that encounter, he would have KOed him in the first kick. Then we'd have eight less pages to read.
Originally posted by paradisu
spider-man hurting his fists on lizard doesnt mean shit we are talking about shang chi here not the geeky spider-man that breaks his arms from falling off a building and getting his arm snapped by freakin jigsaw who is a peak human, shang chi doesnt use fists he is using techniques that meant to hurt super durable beings like he did to the thing , man thing, and a doombot so unless you think that lizard is more durable then all those better shut up
See, you're thinking about Spider-Man jobbing durability-wise while I'm thinking about the Spider-Man who lifts trains and punches through concrete walls like it's nothing. The exact same Spider-Man who encountered Lizard in ASM #44 (already knowing how strong and durable he was), full-out slugs him in the face and feels like he fractured his knuckles while Lizard basically laughs it off.
Originally posted by paradisu
again you are dumb for not knowing the simple fact that shang chi can chi amp his punches and abilities as well
You claimed that Shang-Chi hurt the Thing instead of, you know, tripping him. 😎
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Which is irrelevant unless you specify which version of the Thing he hurt, because Grimm was not that impressive in his early years.Nevermind, I found the scans. LOL at "hurt the Thing". He didn't do jack to him besides tip him off-balance.
Again, irrelevant unless you specify which version of Man-Thing. His early appearances put him at Cap's level in terms of strength, and his durability is not amazing. It's just problematic to dismantle him because of his composition. Plus Thing and Man-Thing are much slower than the Lizard.
A Doom-Bot, which screwed up his hands badly.
Spider-Man makes up for his lacking in H2H skills with his reflexes and speed. Everyone knows that. Kingpin has been able to catch and tag Spider-Man in the past, and that doesn't give him a ghost of a chance against Lizard either.
The fight between Spider-Man and Shang-Chi ended in a draw because Spider-Man stood still while the latter was flying towards him. Then they talked out their differences.
If Spider-Man wasn't holding back during that encounter, he would have KOed him in the first kick. Then we'd have eight less pages to read.
See, you're thinking about Spider-Man jobbing [B]durability-wise
while I'm thinking about the Spider-Man who lifts trains and punches through concrete walls like it's nothing. The exact same Spider-Man who encountered Lizard in ASM #44 (already knowing how strong and durable he was), full-out slugs him in the face and feels like he fractured his knuckles while Lizard basically laughs it off.You claimed that Shang-Chi hurt the Thing instead of, you know, tripping him. 😎 [/B]
first of all shang chi did hurt the thing with punches as thing was hurt and it was stated later you should read the actual damn thing instead of looking only at the pictures the thing commented and stated he couldnt believe he was hurt by a simple human , man thing and a doombot are more durable than lizard who got cut by freakin vermin so dont try to make some colossus out of lizard because he isnt that durable at all compared to the thing and a doombot so again you fail
i seewhat you are doing here you are trying to make it a shang chi vs spider-man thread and clame that lizard will fight just as spider-man first of all stop right there because lizard is no spider-man, lizard during his entire career was taken out several times by kraven the hunter with only hand 2 hand, by black cat again only hand 2 hand and by vermin who cut him and hurt him badly, only times lizard show something is when he fights spider-man and thats a PIS due to the fact he is his villian, as i stated before lizard is a huge lizard that doesnt have any skills no nothing he will just try to catch and bite or cut shang chi while shang chi is one of the best fighters marvel got to offer the mere fact that you think some vicious animal got a chance vs someone like shang chi show us that you are a serious moron shang chi will avoid everything lizard will try to do and will simple amp his fists with chi and beat the living hell out of lizard like he always does when fighting super durable oponnents
as i said before spider-man holding back is bullshit you cant use that argument every time you see him getting his ass kicked because holding back doesnt mean you are letting your oponnent hurt you, second of all unless the writer states in that particular arc that he is holding back you cant speculate and pull things out of your ass you cant say he is holding back every time he gets his ass handed to him, sure spider-man wasnt bloodlusted but so wasnt shang chi they just fought its not like shang chi was " ohhh you modafackin spider i will kill you" or some shit they were just fighting so again your argument is stupid
P.S spider-man does have a major problem with not only MA guys but with anyone he fights and thats due to the fact he is a pathetic nerd that gets his ass handed to him no matter what powers he got
Originally posted by wasaki
first of all shang chi did hurt the thing with punches as thing was hurt
This is not mentioned in the actual scans. Shang-Chi is able to kick Grimm off of him and that is the only real move that hurts the Thing. It doesn't even hurt him as much as surprise him. His other blows are basically shrugged off. Feeling blows isn't the same as being hurt by them.
Originally posted by wasaki
lizard who got cut by freakin vermin
You're the last person who should be accusing others of saying things out-of-context. Lizard and Vermin were being controlled by the Rock of Life; Vermin ambushed Lizard, while the latter wanted to die until it remembered Billy and fought him off.
Originally posted by wasaki
so dont try to make some colossus out of lizard because he isnt that durable at all compared to the thing and a doombot so again you fail
Lizard is too durable for Shang-Chi, no matter what you try to say. The evidence is there in plain sight: taking blows from Spider-Man, small caliber ammunition bouncing off his skin, ripping through a city block to get to the surface. Shang-Chi nearly broke his hands destroying that Doom-Bot, so let's drop the "Shang-Chi can take on powerhouses with chi" act.
Originally posted by wasaki
i seewhat you are doing here you are trying to make it a shang chi vs spider-man thread
That started because someone else acted as if Shang-Chi's fight against Spider-Man could be wholly transfered to this fight. Just because he and Spider-Man fought to a draw doesn't mean he can win against Lizard, especially since Lizard beats Spider-Man more times than not.
Originally posted by wasaki
and clame that lizard will fight just as spider-man
Why the hell would Lizard fight like Spider-Man?
Originally posted by wasaki
lizard during his entire career was taken out several times by kraven the hunter with only hand 2 hand
You mean that guy who has superhuman stats and was possibly the greatest tracker and hunter of animals in the world? Who studied each of his opponents meticulously before he hunted them? Hmmm...
Originally posted by wasaki
by black cat again only hand 2 hand and by vermin who cut him and hurt him badly
Seems like all of Lizard's "low feats" come from the same arc. PIS, perhaps?
The dur is indeed strong in this one.
Originally posted by wasaki
only times lizard show something is when he fights spider-man and thats a PIS due to the fact he is his villian
So all his fights with his main opponent don't count but all his low showings with other opponents do count?
How disappointing. 🙄
Originally posted by wasaki
lizard is a huge lizard
Bonus points for getting something right.
Originally posted by wasaki
he will just try to catch and bite or cut shang chi while shang chi is one of the best fighters marvel got to offer
Because having reflexes x40 faster than the average human and a Spider-Sense has helped Spider-Man in the past, right? Oh wait, he still gets dominated more often than not.
Originally posted by wasaki
the mere fact that you think some vicious animal got a chance vs someone like shang chi show us that you are a serious moron shang chi will avoid everything lizard will try to do and will simple amp his fists with chi and beat the living hell out of lizard like he always does when fighting super durable oponnents
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Because having reflexes x40 faster than the average human and a Spider-Sense has helped Spider-Man in the past, right? Oh wait, he still gets dominated more often than not.
Originally posted by wasaki
as i said before spider-man holding back is bullshit you cant use that argument every time you see him getting his ass kicked because holding back doesnt mean you are letting your oponnent hurt you, second of all unless the writer states in that particular arc that he is holding back you cant speculate and pull things out of your ass you cant say he is holding back every time he gets his ass handed to him, sure spider-man wasnt bloodlusted but so wasnt shang chi they just fought its not like shang chi was " ohhh you modafackin spider i will kill you" or some shit they were just fighting so again your argument is stupid
See, the funny thing is that Spider-Man holds back against Shang-Chi because he doesn't want to potentially kill someone with his superhuman strength; that match ended in a draw with both sides exchanging punches and kicks. Spider-Man doesn't hold back against the Lizard because he knows he's durable enough to tank his blows, yet he is consistently overwhelmed.
Unless you want to believe that Shang-Chi can tank full-out punches from a 10-tonner in the face multiple times without doing something special, I'm done explaining this.
Originally posted by wasaki
P.S spider-man does have a major problem with not only MA guys but with anyone he fights and thats due to the fact he is a pathetic nerd that gets his ass handed to him no matter what powers he got
And your last graceful argument is to put down Spider-Man.
Get the **** out of here. 🤣