Originally posted by SamZEDThere are other examples, but this is the only one I can provide now.
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Seriously though, Lizard wins. I'd like to see how the chi-scream would affect him, but it's not likely Shang would use that, I guess.
Originally posted by King Castle
hence his punching speed was not tied to his strength reduction.. thank you!! i'll be here all night!!hat
So because Spider-Man beat the **** out of Kingpin in one fight, he doesn't punch slower when he holds back. Because it wasn't like Fisk was completely unable to block or dodge any attacks during that fight either...
This is silly, although the thread sped up. Strength and speed are related, when he holds back his speed holds back too. Especially since he uses launching (moving his entire body with his attack), if he used full force the launch would be faster. Spider-Man not holding back has left fights unscathed. Speed kills. If I take a weight and launch it with half strength and then full strength, which will move faster? The same thing when he fights. Especially since his movements are different from traditional MA when some people hit really fast with no force behind them.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWStiltmanFTW banned for life from Wolverine fanclub for questioning Wolverine's credibility. His words are true no matter what continuiy they're from.😒
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Seriously though, Lizard wins. I'd like to see how the chi-scream would affect him, but it's not likely Shang would use that, I guess.
Seriously though.. that v pretty much sums it up.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This is silly, although the thread sped up. Strength and speed are related, when he holds back his speed holds back too. Especially since he uses launching (moving his entire body with his attack), if he used full force the launch would be faster. Spider-Man not holding back has left fights unscathed. Speed kills. If I take a weight and launch it with half strength and then full strength, which will move faster? The same thing when he fights. Especially since his movements are different from traditional MA when some people hit really fast with no force behind them.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This is silly, although the thread sped up. Strength and speed are related, when he holds back his speed holds back too. Especially since he uses launching (moving his entire body with his attack), if he used full force the launch would be faster. Spider-Man not holding back has left fights unscathed. Speed kills. If I take a weight and launch it with half strength and then full strength, which will move faster? The same thing when he fights. Especially since his movements are different from traditional MA when some people hit really fast with no force behind them.
C-Master, you know as well as I that h2h speed is not dependent on strength. Tensing too much slows you down.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
True but Spider-Man doesn't use conventional MA strikes. If a MA hit very fast and lightly that is possible, but that is different altogether from launching your body in a spring like Spider-Man does. They are different types of movements. Spider-man uses his speed for his attack force primarily.
The jumping and combat acrobatics that is shown in comics and kung fu movies are totally unrealistic, you can`t apply real world physics and anatomy to it. Fact is that in the real world, such a style would make Parker slow since he is dependant on gravity to get in touch with the ground again.
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
and thats out of spidermans league how?
Originally posted by MshinuDoesn't matter though. Spider-Man's physique is far superior to a human's body and works different in many ways. His body is extremely strong and dense yet extremely flexible and pliable, which means his muscles don't work against each other (as they generally would) to slow him down. Not only that, he has webbing also.
The jumping and combat acrobatics that is shown in comics and kung fu movies are totally unrealistic, you can`t apply real world physics and anatomy to it. Fact is that in the real world, such a style would make Parker slow since he is dependant on gravity to get in touch with the ground again.
Of course a newer person learning a specific art would tense themselves using too much strength as their muscles are working against each other, particularly if they are stronger. I did the same thing myself actually. So I don't disagree what with you're saying (actually I have a lean and strong physique like Spider-Man, one of the rarer types, most are small and faster or big and less flexible). Spider-Man's physique is just different than most human's and farrrrrr stronger at that. The stronger a muscle is the faster it can move and accelerate.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Doesn't matter though. Spider-Man's physique is far superior to a human's body and works different in many ways. His body is extremely strong and dense yet extremely flexible and pliable, which means his muscles don't work against each other (as they generally would) to slow him down. Not only that, he has webbing also.Of course a newer person learning a specific art would tense themselves using too much strength as their muscles are working against each other, particularly if they are stronger. I did the same thing myself actually. So I don't disagree what with you're saying (actually I have a lean and strong physique like Spider-Man, one of the rarer types, most are small and faster or big and less flexible). Spider-Man's physique is just different than most human's and farrrrrr stronger at that. The stronger a muscle is the faster it can move and accelerate.
Uh, he is still subject to gravity. And his physique is not that special, having two arms and two legs.
Too much is the same as too little. A good puncher knows to only use force at the moment of inpact, otherwise it will slow him down. I am pretty sure you also know the power in a good punch is not in the arm but in the hips and ground. This is inconpatible with "launching", which frankly is a laughable concept. But hey, it`s comics.
Originally posted by MshinuBut what does that have to do with slowing his speed down? He has walls and webbing to direct himselves.
Uh, he is still subject to gravity. And his physique is not that special, having two arms and two legs.Too much is the same as too little. A good puncher knows to only use force at the moment of inpact, otherwise it will slow him down. I am pretty sure you also know the power in a good punch is not in the arm but in the hips and ground. This is inconpatible with "launching", which frankly is a laughable concept. But hey, it`s comics.
His physique is different. Unless you know people who are outrageously strong for their size bend all the way backwards and put their head through their legs with ease.
Power with punching is about speed, leverage, strength, and weight. Obviously a school kid with solid technique won't hit harder than an nfl linebacker. But a person with good technique can hit hard at a decent size, very hard.
Spider-Man's body breaks those natural laws and his style isn't based on those limitations, unless he's grounding himself.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But what does that have to do with slowing his speed down? He has walls and webbing to direct himselves.His physique is different. Unless you know people who are outrageously strong for their size bend all the way backwards and put their head through their legs with ease.
Power with punching is about speed, leverage, strength, and weight. Obviously a school kid with solid technique won't hit harder than an nfl linebacker. But a person with good technique can hit hard at a decent size, very hard.
Spider-Man's body breaks those natural laws and his style isn't based on those limitations, unless he's grounding himself.
I think you are intentionally spewing BS now, or I may have overestimated you.
In short:
Striking with less than full force does not slow you down quite the opposite in fact.
Striking force is more than anything dependent on rooting, "launching" takes this away. Try standing on your tiptoes and punch a wall.
Spidey being strong and aigle doesn`t let him break any rules, in fact he is even more dependent on them because his weight is next to nothing compared to his strength.
