Originally posted by Naija boyUnless, of course, Bill's final hammer strike was more powerful than his previous ones.
Considering therefore that we see an identical situation in which stardust was certainly conscious, just a few moments rior, we cant assume with any degree of certainty that stardust was actually koed.
But I'm sure that couldn't possibly be it, right? Every hammer strike Bill utilized must have had the exact same amount of force behind it (despite scene implications), right?
Originally posted by Naija boyWhich would be all fine and dandy if this particular battle had been portrayed that way... But it wasn't.
Moreover, characters are at times knocked down and take more than a panel to get up even when they arent completely koed.
Prior to Bill's final strike, Stardust had been more or less unharmed by everything thrown at him, and kept coming back for more. Yet when Bill delivered his final strike, Stardust (knowing Bill's intentions were to harm Galactus) just laid there and let him get away? No way.
I understand that you seem to want this blatantly spelled out for you, but imo more things point to Stardust being incapacitated in that scene than the other way around.
Originally posted by Galan007
Unless, of course, Bill's final hammer strike was more powerful than his previous ones.But I'm sure that couldn't possibly be it, right? Every hammer strike Bill utilized must have had the exact same amount of force behind it (despite scene implications), right?
Which would be all fine and dandy if this particular battle had been portrayed that way... But it wasn't.
Prior to Bill's final strike, Stardust had been more or less unharmed by everything thrown at him, and kept coming back for more. Yet when Bill delivered his final strike, Stardust (knowing Bill's intentions were to harm Galactus) just laid there and let him get away? No way.
I understand that you seem to want this blatantly spelled out for you, but imo more things point to Stardust being incapacitated in that scene than the other way around.
What fight is this? Did they fight more than once? The only time that I saw them battle was in the Storm Breaker mini series.
Originally posted by Galan007
Unless, of course, Bill's final hammer strike was more powerful than his previous ones.But I'm sure that couldn't possibly be it, right? Every hammer strike Bill utilized must have had the exact same amount of force behind it (despite scene implications), right?
*Sigh*. Read the post again. The point stands, that stardust laying motionless for a single panel in and of itself does not certify that he was koed because in an identical situation few panels prior with him laying in the same manner he was not koed. Whether bills final hammer strike was more powerful than his previous ones is indeterminable and moreso irrelevant because even then the only evidence u have to suggest that he was koed was his layin down and that "evidence" proved to be inconclusive in a similar situation within the same comic.
Which would be all fine and dandy if this particular battle had been portrayed that way... But it wasn't. Prior to Bill's final strike, Stardust had been more or less unharmed by everything thrown at him, and kept coming back for more. Yet when Bill delivered his final strike, Stardust (knowing Bill's intentions were to harm Galactus) just laid there and let him get away? No way. I understand that you seem to want this blatantly spelled out for you, but imo more things point to Stardust being incapacitated in that scene than the other way around
You have already come to a conclusion on how the battle was meant to be "portrayed" and are now attempting to backwards project that conclusion onto the actual incidents during the battle. Prior to bills final strike there was an identical situation of stardust lying motionless for a panel......thats him "coming back for more"?heh. You claim that stardust was "more or less unharmed" by everything bill did to him prior to the final strike which includes the scene of him lying motionless and yet u then turn around and within the same argument use the fact that he was lying motionless to show that he was koed?.....just no.
Even aside there being a clear precedent within the same comic that supports stardust not being koed, the recurring phenomenon within comics of characters being down for multiple panels (let alone one panel) even without being completely koed has to be considered. Given the combination of those two factors stardust being koed is in no way shape or form as certain as u may want it to be and the facts of the fight or the way it was portrayed do not show that. Stardust was not just laying there cuz he felt like taking a nap, obviously he was affected by BRBs blow, hence the reason he wasnt up and trying to chase down BRB. Im not disputing that. However the issue is whether he was knocked out entirely......and that my friend remains inconclusive.
Originally posted by Naija boyNo offense meant here, but your posts are a lot longer than they need to be.
*Sigh*. Read the post again. The point stands, that stardust laying motionless for a single panel in and of itself does not certify that he was koed because in an identical situation few panels prior with him laying in the same manner he was not koed. Whether bills final hammer strike was more powerful than his previous ones is indeterminable and moreso irrelevant because even then [B]the only evidence u have to suggest that he was koed was his layin down and that "evidence" proved to be inconclusive in a similar situation within the same comic.You have already come to a conclusion on how the battle was meant to be "portrayed" and are now attempting to backwards project that conclusion onto the actual incidents during the battle. Prior to bills final strike there was an identical situation of stardust lying motionless for a panel......thats him "coming back for more"?heh. You claim that stardust was "more or less unharmed" by everything bill did to him prior to the final strike which includes the scene of him lying motionless and yet u then turn around and within the same argument use the fact that he was lying motionless to show that he was koed?.....just no.
Even aside there being a clear precedent within the same comic that supports stardust not being koed, the recurring phenomenon within comics of characters being down for multiple panels (let alone one panel) even without being completely koed has to be considered. Given the combination of those two factors stardust being koed is in no way shape or form as certain as u may want it to be and the facts of the fight or the way it was portrayed do not show that. Stardust was not just laying there cuz he felt like taking a nap, obviously he was affected by BRBs blow, hence the reason he wasnt up and trying to chase down BRB. Im not disputing that. However the issue is whether he was knocked out entirely......and that my friend remains inconclusive. [/B]
Anyhow, I can see that you're more or less avoiding my main points, and that's fine... And considering our stances on the subject, I'm sure you'd agree that there's really no reason to keep this debate up.
Originally posted by carver9My argument was never in defense of BA.
Even if bill knocked stardust out, black adam is no bill. He doesn't have the punch power, durability, or versatility feats that bill had in that fight so bringing up bill is irrelevant.
The difference between Bill and Teth are obvious, The strengths that Teth brings to the table would be nullified be Stardust's strengths, their flight speed would likely be near equal or Stardust would be faster. Teth would have better battle speeds, but Stardust's permeable physiology would make fighting it h2h nearly redundant. Bill has the Stormbreaker Teth doesn't, and Stormbreaker was used to shield Bill from Stardust's more potent attacks, Teth does not have this luxury.
Teth can summon lightening, this will not help against Stardust, and may render him mortal in so doing, so this is out of the question. Stardust can kill him via black hole bfr, roast him with the PC. Teth should lose 10/10.
Originally posted by Galan007
No offense meant here, but your posts are a lot longer than they need to be.Anyhow, I can see that you're more or less avoiding my main points, and that's fine... And considering our stances on the subject, I'm sure you'd agree that there's really no reason to keep this debate up.
My argument was never in defense of BA.
heh seriously?, no offense here, but that was as good a dodge as ive ever seen.......................actually no, it was a rather poor effort. I answered ur so called "main points": quite clearly elaborating on the flaws in ur reasoning while further expanding my main points..
Dont worry though. I'll use shorter posts next time for sure....... makes em much easier to dodge. lulz
Originally posted by Naija boyWhat exactly did I 'dodge'? I replied to a previous post of yours, you responded with the exact same argument as before (which didn't address the points I mentioned with anything new) -- and since I loathe circular debates, I opted to stop our discussion when I saw this trend form.
heh seriously?, no offense here, but that was as good a dodge as ive ever seen.......................actually no, it was a rather poor effort. I answered ur so called "main points": quite clearly elaborating on the flaws in ur reasoning while further expanding my main points..Dont worry though. I'll use shorter posts next time for sure....... makes em much easier to dodge. lulz
In a nutshell: since your argument hadn't changed at all, my response(s) to it would have been the exact same as before. But if you would like me to copy/paste my former post again, I'd be more than happy to.
...Or you can keep being pissy. Either way. 🙂
re-read issue 1 & 2 of godhunter
i see galan's point, but it was the end of the issue and it kinda seemed like stardust was hurt a bit, but s/he was fine in the beginning of the next issue (issue #2 ) and this was still during the time beta ray was fighting surfer which began on the last page of issue #1
stardust even said that bill could not slay him nor galactus before bill struck him
^ I'm not saying Bill could have slayed/killed Stardust. I'm not even saying that Stardust was KO'd for a great length of time.
I'm just saying that since Stardust knew Bill intended to harm Galactus, it would be illogical and completely out of character to assume that he just laid there and let Bill get away to carry out his plans, unless he was (albeit momentarily) incapacitated.