Originally posted by Starscream M
oh...so he didn't have his HF or adamantium skeleton? which issues? 🙄
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I gladly debate it, but I don't think you be willing to.but they were being brought up to decide skill level of the two in the thread. It actually is on topic for us to debate which is more skilled becuase it shows which character actaully has the superior feat.
Dick a DD light in many ways.
I love Dick, dont get me wrong. I believe he the best Robin and easily the most skilled h2h. I think his cis really effects his preformances a lot of times.
i honestly don't see a point.
It was true that up until the last few years, Dick was a "DD lite" but his push in recent years puts him firmly up there with the big boys imo.
and it's only really on topic if we talk about how frank did against dd and jason did against dick.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i honestly don't see a point.It was true that up until the last few years, Dick was a "DD lite" but his push in recent years puts him firmly up there with the big boys imo.
and it's only really on topic if we talk about how frank did against dd and jason did against dick.
Dude I will gladly compare feats, he not on that level. Close yes, but not on that level yet.
Fine I compare the two. DD who has superior feats to NW, Frank has beaten and held his own. Jason has beaten NW true, but normally with one sided prep and NW cis makes him effectivly hold back.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganUm 1 thing just to clarify Punisher has never beaten DD in a straight up fight and has only ever won due to desperation tactics unless im forgetting one of there fight's but im pretty sure he hasn't beaten him straight up
I new that be the answer.Dude I will gladly compare feats, he not on that level. Close yes, but not on that level yet.
Fine I compare the two. DD who has superior feats to NW, Frank has beaten and held his own. Jason has beaten NW true, but normally with one sided prep and NW cis makes him effectivly hold back.
Originally posted by Starscream M
of course it does you clown!being able to aim and shoot while flipping upside down isn't harder than shooting standing up? are you kidding?
your rational is absurd. Because jason flips aorund and punisher doesent, that means he more skilled. do you understand how stupid that sounds?
Punisher doesent flipp around becuase it not in his character, becuase franklin acrobatics leave you open and are a waste of time 95% of the time.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
Um 1 thing just to clarify Punisher has never beaten DD in a straight up fight and has only ever won due to desperation tactics unless im forgetting one of there fight's but im pretty sure he hasn't beaten him straight up
I agree, Punisher had to uses desperate tactics and weapons to take the advantage of DD. Jason Todd does the same thing against NW.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I new that be the answer.Dude I will gladly compare feats, he not on that level. Close yes, but not on that level yet.
Fine I compare the two. DD who has superior feats to NW, Frank has beaten and held his own. Jason has beaten NW true, but normally with one sided prep and NW cis makes him effectivly hold back.
...why?
He's on the brink if he's not there already, imo.
Ok, so DD is better than Dick. So what about Tim, and Bruce, etc?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I agree, Punisher had to uses desperate tactics and weapons to take the advantage of DD. Jason Todd does the same thing against NW.
i don't think jason ever has to be desperate to take on any of the bat family, bruce included.
Originally posted by -Pr-
...why?He's on the brink if he's not there already, imo.
Ok, so DD is better than Dick. So what about Tim, and Bruce, etc?
i don't think jason ever has to be desperate to take on any of the bat family, bruce included.
He still wouldent make top tier in MAer thread becuase there several guys still above him. He good and he closes, but his feats arnt up to par.
what do you mean? is DD better then Tim? sure he is. DD at least on par with Batman.
By desperate I mean he relied on weapons to gain the advantage. Something Jason has and does do. Jason also relies on one sided prep something Punisher rarely does when he faces DD if at all. Only desperate melee thing Punisher done is tackle DD out a window and Frank gets shit on for it, but if it was any of the abt family they get praised for there tactical prowesses. Punisher tackle DD out the window because he new DD would have to grab on to the side of the wall which would dislocate his shoulder.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
why what?He still wouldent make top tier in MAer thread becuase there several guys still above him. He good and he closes, but his feats arnt up to par.
what do you mean? is DD better then Tim? sure he is. DD at least on par with Batman.
By desperate I mean he relied on weapons to gain the advantage. Something Jason has and does do. Jason also relies on one sided prep something Punisher rarely does when he faces DD if at all. Only desperate melee thing Punisher done is tackle DD out a window and Frank gets shit on for it, but if it was any of the abt family they get praised for there tactical prowesses. Punisher tackle DD out the window because he new DD would have to grab on to the side of the wall which would dislocate his shoulder.
why/how did you know that would be the answer?
i feel he's pretty close.
i think batman (bruce) is higher when it comes to pure skill.
i don't think it was a reliance as much as it was just how he liked to operate, tbh.
and i very much disagree that jason relies on prep.
Originally posted by -Pr-
why/how did you know that would be the answer?i feel he's pretty close.
i think batman (bruce) is higher when it comes to pure skill.
i don't think it was a reliance as much as it was just how he liked to operate, tbh.
and i very much disagree that jason relies on prep.
Though I agree, there still a difnferences between him and top tiers. There feats are simply better.
well I disagree and I again and more then willing to do feat for feat. His feats arnt superior to DD. Quite frankly I think people way overestimate batman skill level when comparing him to marvel characters.
I disagree, I mean same arguement can be made for punisher as well. he likes to operate like that, but I think it also leans to a dependence of sorts. Both Punisher and Jason are relient upon there weapens and tactical prowesses. There h2h pure skill though impressive to say the least aint up to people like Night wings level or batmans or DD, but they uses there weapondry to even the odds.
I not saying he all ways relies on prep, I am saying he has fought both batman and NW with on sided prep. He done so with out (to NW, I not sure if he ever fought batman with out prep)
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
becuase we have had similar arguements, and when asked if you want to debate it, you say "what would be the point" or something to that effect. which is your chioce, I mean were both stubborn, perhaps your correct and it would be pointless.Though I agree, there still a difnferences between him and top tiers. There feats are simply better.
well I disagree and I again and more then willing to do feat for feat. His feats arnt superior to DD. Quite frankly I think people way overestimate batman skill level when comparing him to marvel characters.
I disagree, I mean same arguement can be made for punisher as well. he likes to operate like that, but I think it also leans to a dependence of sorts. Both Punisher and Jason are relient upon there weapens and tactical prowesses. There h2h pure skill though impressive to say the least aint up to people like Night wings level or batmans or DD, but they uses there weapondry to even the odds.
I not saying he all ways relies on prep, I am saying he has fought both batman and NW with on sided prep. He done so with out (to NW, I not sure if he ever fought batman with out prep)
and i think you're underestimating Batman, but again, that's off topic...