Originally posted by zopzop
Ordinarily you'd have a point, but isn't Darkseid a BBEG? He should have no business losing to Superman barring plot devices.The fact that he does and repeatedly means Seth smacks him with his gimp hand and KO's his @$$.
Fight over.
He's actually shown himself to be Superman's superior more than once. Superman has to up his game just to be able to compete with him, like he did in the Supergirl arc.
BBEG?
Originally posted by zopzopSuperman is greater than darkseid at his best. Saying he has no business beating Darkseid is ignoring various writers matching them up in comics time and time again.
Ordinarily you'd have a point, but isn't Darkseid a BBEG? He should have no business losing to Superman barring plot devices.The fact that he does and repeatedly means Seth smacks him with his gimp hand and KO's his @$$.
Fight over.
Now if it's just one showing I can see where someone might have a problem with it but it's more than a few showings to it's been established these two are peers in power. I also see Superman as being more powerful and subscribe to jurgens thoughts on the matter regarding these two.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman is greater than darkseid at his best. Saying he has no business beating Darkseid is ignoring various writers matching them up in comics time and time again.Now if it's just one showing I can see where someone might have a problem with it but it's more than a few showings to it's been established these two are peers in power. I also see Superman as being more powerful and subscribe to jurgens thoughts on the matter regarding these two.
Did you forget the part where all the Darkseid showings were just mere avatars of his true self.
Originally posted by SquallXHe's also been confirmed to be afraid of Doomsday. Superman has beaten Doomsday. Superman has survived Omega beams. Superman is the good analogue to Darkseid and in comics good inevitably gives you a natural 20 for success in the end. so Superman via goodness > Darkseid. Also Superman's powerset in baseline physical stats are off the charts if you go by feats in his better days before DC decided that they ran out of stuff to throw at Superman because of his near judeo christian god levels.
Did you forget the part where all the Darkseid showings were just mere avatars of his true self.
Average superman in the ye olden times-
Holding a black hole -Check
Sneezing a solar system into nothingness -check
Beating just about every villain in DC- check
On average defeating DS and saving the day -check
Moving planets- check
Coming up with crazy invention that is instawin i.e. phantom zone projection -check
Here's the important one
still far less than galaxy busting Seth -check
so Seth>Normal Supes>Darkseid
I reserve the right to say that nothing is stronger than a peak supes however 😄 Cosmic Armor ftw
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman is greater than darkseid at his best. Saying he has no business beating Darkseid is ignoring various writers matching them up in comics time and time again.Now if it's just one showing I can see where someone might have a problem with it but it's more than a few showings to it's been established these two are peers in power. I also see Superman as being more powerful and subscribe to jurgens thoughts on the matter regarding these two.
superman at his best is better than damn near anyone, so the point is moot.
Originally posted by -Pr-
superman at his best is better than damn near anyone, so the point is moot.
BBEG : Big Bad Evil Guy. "Boss" level characters that require a team to beat. 😄
And there is NO way Superman, even at his best, is doing anything to a guy that gave Odin a hard time unless the amount of PIS involved was legendary.