Seth vs Darkseid · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by zopzop
Seth all day everyday. Anyone able to give Odin trouble for a few panels > someone who loses to Superman.

Heh! If Odin were a bad guy Supes would absolutely break his teeth. His loses to Supes are neither here no there since he wasn't actually using his powers beyond brawling with one of the best brawlers in comicdom.

At the same time people will ignore the many instances where he's gotten the upper hand on Superman post crisis. Even KO'ing Supes and the rest of the justice league core all at once.

In fact the last two times they fought before Final Crisis (Ignoring the SF DS) he defeated Supes hands down, knocking him out in Countdown with matter manip on Jimmy who'd become an NG conduit and nearly killing him on Apokolips before Mr. Miracle came to the rescue with the ALE .

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by -Pr-
superman at his best is better than damn near anyone, so the point is moot.

No, he isn't. He's just like any elite top tier hero at his best. Superman needs help and gets it just like any other major hero.

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

Heres the thing...

Darkseids Omega Effect isnt portrayed as it was originally presented; the Omega Effect is supposed to erase any being that is not essential to the universe...

But since it has failed to erase HP Doomsday (whom I have no doubt is NOT essential to the universe), then I have no doubt that Seth should be able to resist being erased as well...

In conclusion, I pick Seth to crush DS 10/10...

King Castle Restricted

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Heres the thing...
Darkseids Omega Effect isnt portrayed as it was originally presented; the Omega Effect is supposed to erase any being that is not essential to the universe...
But since it has failed to erase HP Doomsday (whom I have no doubt is NOT essential to the universe), then I have no doubt that Seth should be able to resist being erased as well...
In conclusion, I pick Seth to crush DS 10/10...

but that was only an avatar.... it doesnt count. 😇

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

Originally posted by King Castle
but that was only an avatar.... it doesnt count. 😇

So it is written...

But we know it was really him and the Omega Effect failed...

King Castle Restricted

but in forum we use his true form, you know the new full explanation of his character... 😇

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Heres the thing...
Darkseids Omega Effect isnt portrayed as it was originally presented; the Omega Effect is supposed to erase any being that is not essential to the universe...
But since it has failed to erase HP Doomsday (whom I have no doubt is NOT essential to the universe), then I have no doubt that Seth should be able to resist being erased as well...
In conclusion, I pick Seth to crush DS 10/10...

Which is why it's PIS. The OE works like fire on oil, it's not about the level of energy put into it but the specific reaction to the target. If the OE hits a living being that being is erased from existence. Any portrayal where DS has to amp the power of the omega beams like they're merely for disintegration tells us he is not actually using the OE (the end of the end/the total wipeout).

Getting disintegrated is not the same as being wiped out of existence; the former simply requires vast amounts of physical energy, the latter is a mystical reality warping ability unique to the omega force.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

In the case of Superman he uses disintegration beams because the OE doesn't work on him because of his role in the universe. In the case of DD he doesn't need to do that outside of PIS. It also suggests to us that DS was a top tier to Jurgens.

Kirby's, Morrison's, Kupperberg's Levitz's, David's and maybe Bryne's Darkseid are Skyfather and beyond, Jurgens' Darkseid is a top tier.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Allankles
In the case of Superman he uses disintegration beams because the OE doesn't work on him because of his role in the universe. In the case of DD he doesn't need to do that outside of PIS. It also suggests to us that DS was a top tier to Jurgens.
Kirby's, Morrison's, Kupperberg's Levitz's, David's and maybe Bryne's Darkseid are Skyfather and beyond, Jurgens' Darkseid is a top tier.

When has this been stated ?

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has this been stated ?

About Superman's importance to cosmic balance? FC & Trinity off the top of my head.

King Castle Restricted

Originally posted by Allankles
About Superman's importance to cosmic balance? FC & Trinity off the top of my head.

you are using trinity as your source material, is that even canon i didnt understand it at all with how it could even fit with continuity and that is saying something with dc..

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Allankles
About Superman's importance to cosmic balance? FC & Trinity off the top of my head.

No, when has this ever been stated as the reason Ds can't kill superman with his ob.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

It's not canon

iceman24567 Senior Member

Trinity is canon 😐

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Really? That was just a pile.. a pile

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he isn't.

Yes, he is.

Originally posted by King Castle
you are using trinity as your source material, is that even canon i didnt understand it at all with how it could even fit with continuity and that is saying something with dc..

We get it; you hate DC.

King Castle Restricted

Originally posted by iceman24567
Trinity is canon 😐

this looks canon to you?
let alone apply the reasoning to the current DCU?

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Really? That was just a pile.. a pile

Agreed

Originally posted by King Castle
this looks canon to you?
let alone apply the reasoning to the current DCU?

Looks can be deceiving 😖hifty:

King Castle Restricted

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, he is.
We get it; you hate DC.

no, just superman, Wonderwoman, aquaman, DD, DS, Desaad(wait never mind i like desaad)...Batgirl, batgod, Shiva, Black Canary, Captain Atom...the source..spectre...the word... the inconsistent history of one character being altered from last year and the year before with completely new origin and even background and name... also the U spanning retcons that come like clockwork that solves none of the problems created.. oh yeh, damian... rainbow corps BS..Zoom Zoom...Deathstroke(foolishness)

other then that i like it just fine.. batman arkam asylum.. the ray, superboy(prior to retcon origin).. nightwing bludhaven series... hal, kyle guy awesome cats, secret six(beautiful).. 😎

iceman24567 Senior Member

Secret Six is awesome