Thanos/Darkseid vs WWH/Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor

Originally posted by darthgoober
Simple, the statue itself was adamantium and the base wasn't. Or it was made of pure adamantium, but not pure primary adamantium. Either would make far more sense seeing as how it's been pretty thoroughly established that it takes damn near everything Thor's got just to dent primary adamantium or break secondary adamantium.

Another simple one, Titania's a moron and Thor's not. Thor was actually USING the gem when he had it in ways that dumbasses like Champion, Drax, and Titania never managed to pull off(like taking control of the combined energies of Dr. Strange and Warlock's Soul Gem). What's more, even if Titania(a low class 100 at best) needed training to use the gem with enough efficiency to take down She Hulk(who was at that point stronger than Hercules), the Power Gem's whole shtick is that it amps it's user even if the wielder's not actively trying to use it(as made clear when it was wielded by Champion and Drax). If the wielder's state of mind influenced their proficiency, Champion wouldn't have been able to use it against Thanos like he did and you yourself acknowledge.

Ok, well that's an interesting analysis of things, but it still doesn't discount the fact that a weaker version of the Hulk warped Ultron's chasis with a powerful punch. Was the Ultron unit also composed of secondary adamantium? If so are there any references to indicate that it was not primary adamantium? I mean outside of some easily edited Wiki column that I could check in order to validate the claim?

In an earlier post you seemed satisfied with the theory that Thor was somewhat amplified by the Power Gem, but to what end remained unquantified correct? Well I could agree with that. There's still one thing that mystifies me though. If Thor was hitting Thanos with near "primary adamantium" breaking strength, how would Pip have been able to remain in the chamber without being torn apart by the blast yield of such an assault? I mean you theorized that the room itself may have been made of very strong metals, so that argument is covered, but Pip has no super human durability to his credit.

In your opinion, do you believe that Thanos' hide is nearly as tough as adamantium? If so what would be the explanation, of him being sliced open by Wolverine's claws (were they bone claws I forget?) while on the same note, Wolverine stated that he had noticed how tough the Hulk's hide had become during the WW Hulk story line. Wolverines claws were adamantium during WW Hulk, as you know.

Somethings a little off here no?

Originally posted by Stoic
Ok, well that's an interesting analysis of things, but it still doesn't discount the fact that a weaker version of the Hulk warped Ultron's chasis with a powerful punch. Was the Ultron unit also composed of secondary adamantium? If so are there any references to indicate that it was not primary adamantium? I mean outside of some easily edited Wiki column that I could check in order to validate the claim?

Originally posted by Stoic
In an earlier post you seemed satisfied with the theory that Thor was somewhat amplified by the Power Gem, but to what end remained unquantified correct? Well I could agree with that. There's still one thing that mystifies me though. If Thor was hitting Thanos with near "primary adamantium" breaking strength, how would Pip have been able to remain in the chamber without being torn apart by the blast yield of such an assault? I mean you theorized that the room itself may have been made of very strong metals, so that argument is covered, but Pip has no super human durability to his credit.

As for the rest, it's going to be another simple answer... Pip was ok cause it's a comic and they didn't want to kill off Pip right there. See environmental damage is a poor judge of such things because even on the occasions it's depicted it's mostly just there for dramatic effect. Think about it, when Thor hit Hulk going all out with enough force to damage adamantium why weren't the tree's in the area damaged by the shockwave? Why wasn't there a crater from the impact? For that matter, why doesn't Bruce Banner's pants rip completely off when he grows something like 3 foot and gains over 1,000 lbs? Does the fact that he's still wearing shorts after the transformation prove in any way that Banner doesn't grow much when he transforms?

Originally posted by Stoic
In your opinion, do you believe that Thanos' hide is nearly as tough as adamantium? If so what would be the explanation, of him being sliced open by Wolverine's claws (were they bone claws I forget?) while on the same note, Wolverine stated that he had noticed how tough the Hulk's hide had become during the WW Hulk story line. Wolverines claws were adamantium during WW Hulk, as you know.

Somethings a little off here no?

And just so you know, the bone claws thing was non canon.

Pure adamantium statue. Stone base.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pure adamantium statue. Stone base.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because you have no proof.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No he didn't.No such thing happened.And it only ended because he used a plot device which he doesn't have the liberty of using here.

Originally posted by Stoic
Quanchi you really didn't answer my question/statement, you just compounded it with certain things that really didn't pertain to it. They fought in a chamber, Thor was as angry as the champion, if not more so, and yet the Champion destroyed a planet with one punch, and Thor was unable to destroy more than a plated steel wall.

Thor similarly hit the Savage Hulk like he did to Thanos, with enough force to send him flying into what was called pure adamantium, and as a result left micro fractures in the statue. How was he stronger in his fight with Thanos?

Thor wasn't trying to destroy the room only his opponents. Thanos was tanking his shots not the walls. Thor's feats >>>>Champion's by a country mile. It's not even close to please get your he destroyed a planet argument out of here by this logic Surfer >>>Thor with power gem who he beat like a red headed step child prior to the power gem even.

I'll take your refusal to post any proof as a concession.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pure adamantium statue. Stone base.

So Thor can casually destroy asteroid, but while going all out, as it is suggested in the scan he isnt able to send an 1100 lb man through 6 ft of stone? Yeah, I guess that makes lots of sense.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually several versions of Ultron have been made of secondary adamantium, so it's entirely possible. Now I don't know whether or not that specific version was, but even if he wasn't and he was actually made out of Primary Adamantium Hulk warping his chasis it just means that Hulk's strength was somewhere on Thor's level(like I said, Thor can dent primary adamantium).

That's right, we just know he was amped. Of course I myself believe that he was already significantly amped by his madness before he ever got the Power Gem.

As for the rest, it's going to be another simple answer... Pip was ok cause it's a comic and they didn't want to kill off Pip right there. See environmental damage is a poor judge of such things because even on the occasions it's depicted it's mostly just there for dramatic effect. Think about it, when Thor hit Hulk going all out with enough force to damage adamantium why weren't the tree's in the area damaged by the shockwave? Why wasn't there a crater from the impact? For that matter, why doesn't Bruce Banner's pants rip completely off when he grows something like 3 foot and gains over 1,000 lbs? Does the fact that he's still wearing shorts after the transformation prove in any way that Banner doesn't grow much when he transforms?

Can't really say for sure on that one because Thanos is an Eternal and they have the ability to alter their bodies molecular structure. But we know for sure that he's durable enough to withstand stuff like blasts from Odin that are capable of one shotting someone as durable as the Surfer.

And just so you know, the bone claws thing was non canon.

I like the way that your mind works Goob, I have an exam soon, but when I get back I'd like to re-examine your responses to my statements. It seems odd to me that you chose to view certain events the way that you have... well I'll be back a little later.

The point is this Stoic... Thanos has already gotten the better of a Thor with "madness" and the PG. Period. Regular Thor is of little concern to Thanos.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'll take your refusal to post any proof as a concession.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos ended it when he wanted to. he had it the entire time so at no point did Thor have any chance and he only succeeded in bloodying his nose. It just took one shot to end Thor's temper tantrum.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Like I said it only ended because of a plot device.Thanos won't have that here.

In the story like my original point Thanos knew the entire time he could end it anytime he wanted with a single shot so he indeed toyed with him the entire fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He later used it against Odin further proving he doesn't need the gun to fire the blast. he does indeed have it here as an option.

In the story like my original point Thanos knew the entire time he could end it anytime he wanted with a single shot so he indeed toyed with him the entire fight.

No.Thanos did not tie with thor.He would have lost had thanos not used a plot device which for the last time,and i'm not going to argue this again because its irrelevant, HE DOES NOT HAVE THAT PLOT DEVICE HERE!!!!!

Originally posted by quanchi112
I forgot about you snake eyes you can't form an opinion of what actually happens on panel unless it's stated which is more or less a comprehension problem on your end not mine.

So you admit that Thanos "toying" with Thor is only your opinion?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No he doesn't.He doesn't have the gun.And Odin still broke out of it with ease.

No.Thanos did not tie with thor.He would have lost had thanos not used a plot device which for the last time,and i'm not going to argue this again because its irrelevant, [b]HE DOES NOT HAVE THAT PLOT DEVICE HERE!!!!! [/B]

Yes he does.. it is part of his standard equipment now... First time he used it.. it was a gun.. next time he used it.. it was on his armor.. Thanks for playing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yes he does.. it is part of his standard equipment now... First time he used it.. it was a gun.. next time he used it.. it was on his armor.. Thanks for playing.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Scan of thanos having it on his armor?And how often has he used it since blood and thunder?

did you see his fight with Odin? He forceblocked him and Odin got out with ease... Did you see a gun.. nope.. We saw nothing.. He either made that a new power of his that he's able to do or it was on his armor.. In either case it's part of his tech now or ability.. take your pick. Since he's down it those two times.. never again.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
did you see his fight with Odin? He forceblocked him and Odin got out with ease... Did you see a gun.. nope.. We saw nothing.. He either made that a new power of his that he's able to do or it was on his armor.. In either case it's part of his tech now or ability.. take your pick. Since he's down it those two times.. never again.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually several versions of Ultron have been made of secondary adamantium, so it's entirely possible. Now I don't know whether or not that specific version was, but even if he wasn't and he was actually made out of Primary Adamantium Hulk warping his chasis it just means that Hulk's strength was somewhere on Thor's level(like I said, Thor can dent primary adamantium).

That's right, we just know he was amped. Of course I myself believe that he was already significantly amped by his madness before he ever got the Power Gem.

As for the rest, it's going to be another simple answer... Pip was ok cause it's a comic and they didn't want to kill off Pip right there. See environmental damage is a poor judge of such things because even on the occasions it's depicted it's mostly just there for dramatic effect. Think about it, when Thor hit Hulk going all out with enough force to damage adamantium why weren't the tree's in the area damaged by the shockwave? Why wasn't there a crater from the impact? For that matter, why doesn't Bruce Banner's pants rip completely off when he grows something like 3 foot and gains over 1,000 lbs? Does the fact that he's still wearing shorts after the transformation prove in any way that Banner doesn't grow much when he transforms?

Can't really say for sure on that one because Thanos is an Eternal and they have the ability to alter their bodies molecular structure. But we know for sure that he's durable enough to withstand stuff like blasts from Odin that are capable of one shotting someone as durable as the Surfer.

And just so you know, the bone claws thing was non canon.

The Ultron unit was said to be made of adamantium, and at that period in time, secondary adamantium was never mentioned, thus the Hulk disabled the real thing. Would you say that Thanos' hide was tougher than adamantium?

You stated that Wolverine slicing through Thanos was not canonical, are we talking about the same instance? Are you referring to Marvel vs DC? I was referring to the Infinity Gauntlet where Wolverine was tasked with sanctioning Thanos, and was seen on panel slicing through his flesh. If Thanos is more durable than adamantium, Logans claws would have had no effect on the Titan... am I correct in this assumption?

Before I forget to ask, does having strong defenses against energy attacks equate to having strong defenses against blunt or piercing ones? It would seem that Thanos may be weak against the latter. I won't bring up the anti-matter grenade, because someone stated that without a doubt, that it was proven that Thanos was still in the process of building up his strength... although no one can quite quantify how much stronger he became.

Do you subscribe to the belief that Thanos could defeat the Hulk, Thor, and Wonder Woman combined in H2H combat? Do you believe that Superman can hold Darkseid? Just remember that Darkseid himself, stated on panel that Superman was his physical peer.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Ultron unit was said to be made of adamantium, and at that period in time, secondary adamantium was never mentioned, thus the Hulk disabled the real thing. Would you say that Thanos' hide was tougher than adamantium?

And I already told you, that kind of thing is tough to judge because Thanos is an Eternal.

Originally posted by Stoic
You stated that Wolverine slicing through Thanos was not canonical, are we talking about the same instance? Are you referring to Marvel vs DC? I was referring to the Infinity Gauntlet where Wolverine was tasked with sanctioning Thanos, and was seen on panel slicing through his flesh. If Thanos is more durable than adamantium, Logans claws would have had no effect on the Titan... am I correct in this assumption?

And it's not a matter of whether or not Thanos is outright more durable than adamantium because again, Thanos is an Eternal.

Originally posted by Stoic
Before I forget to ask, does having strong defenses against energy attacks equate to having strong defenses against blunt or piercing ones? It would seem that Thanos may be weak against the latter. I won't bring up the anti-matter grenade, because someone stated that without a doubt, that it was proven that Thanos was still in the process of building up his strength... although no one can quite quantify how much stronger he became.

Originally posted by Stoic
Do you subscribe to the belief that Thanos could defeat the Hulk, Thor, and Wonder Woman combined in H2H combat? Do you believe that Superman can hold Darkseid? Just remember that Darkseid himself, stated on panel that Superman was his physical peer.