Thanos/Darkseid vs WWH/Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor

Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman backhanded wonder woman as well, not saying that superman is stronger, but he did in fact hurt darkseid...which was the point of me bringing it up in the first place

It should also be noted that Superman was going for broke, he threw everything at Darkseid in that brief battle, whereas in battles past he just took the pasting.

I agree for the most part. Superman was still able to defeat Darkseid without a gem of power, or a cosmic ray gun, as was suggested to be needed by Oak Parker in order to defeat Darkseid or Thanos. It should also be noted that Doomsday also defeated Darkseid without energy attacks. These two can be defeated physically, it's really just a matter as to how much employed power it would take to achieve this.

Originally posted by carver9
Good point.

I still can see wwh brutally stomping either of them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on him brutally stomping who ?

Based on previous incarnations of a weaker versions of hulks giving Thor a fight and wwh bring more powerful than the versions of the hulks that gave thor a fight.

With that said, my reasons is.... thor would give thanos a run for his money physically and I could see wwh CRUSHING thor physically.

Originally posted by carver9
Based on previous incarnations of a weaker versions of hulks giving Thor a fight and wwh bring more powerful than the versions of the hulks that gave thor a fight.

With that said, my reasons is.... thor would give thanos a run for his money physically and I could see wwh CRUSHING thor physically.

Thor has never even with the power gem given him anything more than a minor workout.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos trounced a power gem sporting Thor who'd annihilate any Hulk.

Thor has never even with the power gem given him anything more than a minor workout.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos trounced a power gem sporting Thor who'd annihilate any Hulk.

Thor has never even with the power gem given him anything more than a minor workout.

My thing is this; if Thor was tapping into the Power Gem, why wasn't the effects, or power output similar to those seen by the Champion? I mean they fought in a chamber, and although there was significant damage to the battle field it was in no way equal, or even close to one shotting planet damage. How could Thor utilize the Gem so quickly when Titania had to be tutored in its usage by the Champion?

I could see, and fully agree with you concerning Thor being amped, but he had yet to even acclimate himself with the Gem, and being in an unreasonable state of mind, would deny the acclimatization of him using the Gem at all if any. I will agree with a previous post that stated that Thor was amplified, but I will disagree with the notion of him being leagues stronger than what he is normally capable of.

Originally posted by Stoic
My thing is this; if Thor was tapping into the Power Gem, why wasn't the effects, or power output similar to those seen by the Champion? I mean they fought in a chamber, and although there was significant damage to the battle field it was in no way equal, or even close to one shotting planet damage. How could Thor utilize the Gem so quickly when Titania had to be tutored in its usage by the Champion?

I could see, and fully agree with you concerning Thor being amped, but he had yet to even acclimate himself with the Gem, and being in an unreasonable state of mind, would deny the acclimatization of him using the Gem at all if any. I will agree with a previous post that stated that Thor was amplified, but I will disagree with the notion of him being leagues stronger than what he is normally capable of.

Thor was much more dangerous than Champion ever showed and Thor was actively using it to resist Strange's attacks, etc. whereas Champion was nothing special at all.

Thor's feats and maulings were far greater than anything Champion ever did with the power gem.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thanos stalemated him at best.No trouncing happened.

By the way Rage... Pan said exactly what I said he did... I never said Pak.. I said Pan... Peter.. Pan..

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
IRCC, Pip was surprised Thanos could get up after Thor pounded to him to his knees.

Thanos got up and said something to the affect that Thor proved himself to be a worthy foe and it's round 2.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's not conclusive but if Thor was actively tapping into the Power Gem and the amp was still slow, why would we assume that the growth in strength was any larger while he was free?

Of course, we're not really sure how powerful the force block is outside of it being unable to hold Odin for more than a second.

Not that it matters because we're trying to quantify his amp based on virtually nothing. All we know is that he was amped.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I can.

The closest that has ever happened was when he brought Thor down to his knees with two -and very likely more- repeated blasts. A not so great energy showing for Thor. At the same time Thor traded blows with Thanos evenly during their first encounter, and when they were engaged in hand to hand combat the second time, Thanos was losing. The Thing was an insect to him previously but between two peers, he seemed to be enough of a card to tip the battle the other way.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor was the only one who seemed -it was even stated- to have actually affected Thanos with his attacks. The simple statements regarding Thor lead me to believe he was seen as above the rest. IRCC, it was even stated he was their biggest gun in this game of power.

IRCC, Namor and She-Hulk's punches did absolutely nothing to Thanos and were promplty owned. Spider-Man turned his head when he webbed him. That's it I think. Hardly invalidates Thor's showing.

Yeah Thor definately did the best, but that doesn't change the fact that damn near everyone got their licks in on Thanos during that fight. I'm not arguing that Thor wasn't the most powerful of Earth's assault force, just that the fight doesn't really give any indication that Thor can give Thanos a run on a normal day anymore than it gives an indication Namor/She Hulk or even Spidey can knock Thanos around. And they did, Namor/She Hulk had him realing/backpeddling and from the look of it Spidey nearly floored him with his kick.

And that wasn't even Thanos on a normal day, that was Thanos with the IG. Do you really think that fight is legitimate proof that Masterson Thor can give that tough a fight to a wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet?

team two stomps

Originally posted by quanchi112
.Thanos toyed with him the entire time

Speculation.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Speculation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How so ?

Because you have no proof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos toyed with him the entire time and ended it when he wanted to do so.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman is the only one in this fight, on either team, that can handle Darkseid. 😉

Superman (under the right conditions) and thanos are the only one's that can handle darkseid in singles combat.

To bad no one on supes team can handle thanos by themelves. I highly doubt the team wins any either. Thanos laugh's off blows from surfer like they are childs play. And we all know surfer> then anyone on the team with the exception of thor mabey.

😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's quite simple collateral damage isn't indicative of anything. Secondly, Thanos goaded him to those levels of anger to destroy with the planet he wasn't fighting with those levels of power the entire time.

Thor was much more dangerous than Champion ever showed and Thor was actively using it to resist Strange's attacks, etc. whereas Champion was nothing special at all.

Thor's feats and maulings were far greater than anything Champion ever did with the power gem. Thanos toyed with him the entire time and ended it when he wanted to do so.

Quanchi you really didn't answer my question/statement, you just compounded it with certain things that really didn't pertain to it. They fought in a chamber, Thor was as angry as the champion, if not more so, and yet the Champion destroyed a planet with one punch, and Thor was unable to destroy more than a plated steel wall.

Thor similarly hit the Savage Hulk like he did to Thanos, with enough force to send him flying into what was called pure adamantium, and as a result left micro fractures in the statue. How was he stronger in his fight with Thanos?

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Credit for scan to Parmaniac.

Originally posted by Stoic
Quanchi you really didn't answer my question/statement, you just compounded it with certain things that really didn't pertain to it. They fought in a chamber, Thor was as angry as the champion, if not more so, and yet the Champion destroyed a planet with one punch, and Thor was unable to destroy more than a plated steel wall.

Thor similarly hit the Savage Hulk like he did to Thanos, with enough force to send him flying into what was called pure adamantium, and as a result left micro fractures in the statue. How was he stronger in his fight with Thanos?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you have any proof that the wall was just plated steel rather than some exotic alien metal? I'm just asking because Thanos has access to alien metals that are supposed to be virtually indestructable(he replaced a large portion of Gamora's skeleton with bones made out of it back in the day in fact)...

To tell you the truth, the idea did dawn on me. There most certainly is a possibility that the wall was nearly as strong as "pure adamantium" (the most durable substance in the known universe), but how does that explain that at normal levels, while not holding back that he was still able to launch the Hulk into that statue made of "pure adamantium" and achieve similar results? you have to admit that there is something odd about it.

What about Titania needing training in order to access the power Gem, while in a calm and reasonable state of mind? Whereas Thor was as reasonable as a rabid Bull Terrier. How could he have gained access with no training whatsoever, and while being in a state of mind that would denote teaching him something as simple basic arithmetic would be nearly impossible. Odd huh?

Originally posted by Stoic
To tell you the truth, the idea did dawn on me. There most certainly is a possibility that the wall was nearly as strong as "pure adamantium" (the most durable substance in the known universe), but how does that explain that at normal levels, while not holding back that he was still able to launch the Hulk into that statue made of "pure adamantium" and achieve similar results? you have to admit that there is something odd about it.

What about Titania needing training in order to access the power Gem, while in a calm and reasonable state of mind? Whereas Thor was as reasonable as a rabid Bull Terrier. How could he have gained access with no training whatsoever, and while being in a state of mind that would denote teaching him something as simple basic arithmetic would be nearly impossible. Odd huh?

Another simple one, Titania's a moron and Thor's not. Thor was actually USING the gem when he had it in ways that dumbasses like Champion, Drax, and Titania never managed to pull off(like taking control of the combined energies of Dr. Strange and Warlock's Soul Gem). What's more, even if Titania(a low class 100 at best) needed training to use the gem with enough efficiency to take down She Hulk(who was at that point stronger than Hercules), the Power Gem's whole shtick is that it amps it's user even if the wielder's not actively trying to use it(as made clear when it was wielded by Champion and Drax). If the wielder's state of mind influenced their proficiency, Champion wouldn't have been able to use it against Thanos like he did and you yourself acknowledge.