Thanos/Darkseid vs WWH/Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor

IRCC, when he was hooked up to the machines, it wasn't stated his strength was growing exponentially. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that scene suggested that his strength was growing at a slow pace. It would take him hours of amping to break out of the force block or something.

I still don't understand why people think Thor needed to have been amped in any notable way for the Thanos fight. During that fight, it was acknowledged that Thor would give Thanos a run for his money any normal day. Which is exactly what happens whenever Starlin has the two meet.

Albeit, Surfer said that Thor was more powerful than all of them put together at this point during the recap at the beginning of the previous issue. Of course, there are a few problems there. The main points being that Surfer never encountered Thor since he got his ass handed to him and learned only in the previous scene that Thor had got his hands on the Power Gem. The second point is that there was no notable difference in Thor's power levels from the previous fights.

Edit: Was Thor catatonic during the force block imprisonment? Thanos believed that to be the case but IRCC, Thor was able to trick Moondragon. I'm not 100% clear on that scene going only from memory but if Thor was conscious and actively tapping into the Power Gem, then this has some implications.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
IRCC, when he was hooked up to the machines, it wasn't stated his strength was growing exponentially. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that scene suggested that his strength was growing at a slow pace. It would take him hours of amping to break out of the force block or something.

I still don't understand why people think Thor needed to have been amped in any notable way for the Thanos fight. During that fight, it was acknowledged that Thor would give Thanos a run for his money any normal day. Which is exactly what happens whenever Starlin has the two meet.

Albeit, Surfer said that Thor was more powerful than all of them put together at this point during the recap at the beginning of the previous issue. Of course, there are a few problems there. The main points being that Surfer never encountered Thor since he got his ass handed to him and learned only in the previous scene that Thor had got his hands on the Power Gem. The second point is that there was no notable difference in Thor's power levels from the previous fights.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Edit: Was Thor catatonic during the force block imprisonment? Thanos believed that to be the case but IRCC, Thor was able to trick Moondragon. I'm not 100% clear on that scene going only from memory but if Thor was conscious and actively tapping into the Power Gem, then this has some implications.

Yea. They had to combine their wills and broke free or something.

If Thor was still conscious and actively tapping into the Power Gem yet the flow seemed slow, that right there is a good basis for the argument that whatever amping he got from the Power Gem while not imprisoned was tiny.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Pip thought Thor could give Thanos a run on a normal day, he's hardly a reliable judge of stuff like that(otherwise Thor would have walked over Thanos like he did everyone else who could give Thor a run on a normal day). Later on Warlock said something like that they'd never seen Thanos's limits truely tested.

You have a point about Pip not being exactly absolute authority (You should keep in mind that he was being used as a narrative tool during that fight which deserves some mention in my opinion) but at the same time, his comment is not without merit. Starlin seems to treat Thor as the closest being to Thanos under Trans. We've seen them trade blows evenly -albeit briefly- more than once. Some people may not like it, but Thor will give Thanos a run for his money on a normal day and all of their physical encounters back this up. Also, Thanos might have also stepped it up a notch. I can accept that Thor would be more forced to kick it up a notch in comparison to Thanos.

That depends entirely on how you view "normal". If by normal he meant without going insane or any amps -which I think he did- the statement doesn't loose any credibility. I think Thor would be forced to step his game up from a level where he fights Bill or Surfer whenever he encounters Thanos.

That depends entirely what he meant by "limits". I mean that fight was basically Thanos getting knocked around. We saw the limits of his power. That doesn't somehow mean Thor can't hold his own against him on a regular basis.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea. They had to combine their wills and broke free or something.

If Thor was still conscious and actively tapping into the Power Gem yet the flow seemed slow, that right there is a good basis for the argument that whatever amping he got from the Power Gem while not imprisoned was tiny.

You have a point about Pip not being exactly absolute authority (You should keep in mind that he was being used as a narrative tool during that fight which deserves some mention in my opinion) but at the same time, his comment is not without merit. Starlin seems to treat Thor as the closest being to Thanos under Trans. We've seen them trade blows evenly -albeit briefly- more than once. Some people may not like it, but Thor will give Thanos a run for his money on a normal day and all of their physical encounters back this up. Also, Thanos might have also stepped it up a notch. I can accept that Thor would be more forced to kick it up a notch in comparison to Thanos.

That depends entirely on how you view "normal". If by normal he meant without going insane or any amps -which I think he did- the statement doesn't loose any credibility. I think Thor would be forced to step his game up from a level where he fights Bill or Surfer whenever he encounters Thanos.

That depends entirely what he meant by "limits". I mean that fight was basically Thanos getting knocked around. We saw the limits of his power. That doesn't somehow mean Thor can't hold his own against him on a regular basis.

Oh Thor definately seems to do the best against Thanos, but I'd hardly say that he can give Thanos trouble on a normal day when Thanos pretty much chumped him before his death/ressurection. There's the whole clone thing, but then again that's a clone. Then there's the Infinity Gauntlet, but then again Namor/She Hulk and even Spidey was able to stagger him there.

And don't think I mean to imply that Thanos showed his power output to be anywhere near Odin, but I do think Warlock's statement was meant to establish that Odin's difficulty putting Thanos down for the count was justified. And while it may not prove that Pip's statement to be inaccurate, it DOES show that it shouldn't be taken at face value either.

Come to think of it, didn't Pip's narrative seem to imply that Pip was suprised BECAUSE he thought Thor could give Thanos a run on a normal day? I might be remembering wrong, but I seem to remember something to that effect.

IRCC, Pip was surprised Thanos could get up after Thor pounded to him to his knees.

Thanos got up and said something to the affect that Thor proved himself to be a worthy foe and it's round 2.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't really see how you think that's a good basis to assume that whatever amp Thor had was tiny. All we really know is that Thor was amped.

It's not conclusive but if Thor was actively tapping into the Power Gem and the amp was still slow, why would we assume that the growth in strength was any larger while he was free?

Of course, we're not really sure how powerful the force block is outside of it being unable to hold Odin for more than a second.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh Thor definately seems to do the best against Thanos, but I'd hardly say that he can give Thanos trouble on a normal day when Thanos pretty much chumped him before his death/ressurection.

I can.

The closest that has ever happened was when he brought Thor down to his knees with two -and very likely more- repeated blasts. A not so great energy showing for Thor. At the same time Thor traded blows with Thanos evenly during their first encounter, and when they were engaged in hand to hand combat the second time, Thanos was losing. The Thing was an insect to him previously but between two peers, he seemed to be enough of a card to tip the battle the other way.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then there's the Infinity Gauntlet, but then again Namor/She Hulk and even Spidey was able to stagger him there.

Thor was the only one who seemed -it was even stated- to have actually affected Thanos with his attacks. The simple statements regarding Thor lead me to believe he was seen as above the rest. IRCC, it was even stated he was their biggest gun in this game of power.

IRCC, Namor and She-Hulk's punches did absolutely nothing to Thanos and were promplty owned. Spider-Man turned his head when he webbed him. That's it I think. Hardly invalidates Thor's showing.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
IRCC, Pip was surprised Thanos could get up after Thor pounded to him to his knees.

Thanos got up and said something to the affect that Thor proved himself to be a worthy foe and it's round 2.

It's not conclusive but if Thor was actively tapping into the Power Gem and the amp was still slow, why would we assume that the growth in strength was any larger while he was free?

Of course, we're not really sure how powerful the force block is outside of it being unable to hold Odin for more than a second.

I can.

The closest that has ever happened was when he brought Thor down to his knees with two -and very likely more- repeated blasts. A not so great energy showing for Thor. At the same time Thor traded blows with Thanos evenly before that and when they were engaged in hand to hand combat, Thanos was losing. The Thing was an insect to him previously but between two peers, he seemed to be enough of a card to tip the battle the other way.

Thor was the only one who seemed -it was even stated- to have actually affected Thanos with his attacks. The simple statements regarding Thor lead me to believe he was seen as above the rest. IRCC, it was even stated he was their biggest gun in this game of power.

IRCC, Namor and She-Hulk's punches did absolutely nothing to Thanos and were promplty owned. Spider-Man turned his head when he webbed him. That's it I think.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk temporarily downed Thanos as what his professor version. I mean come off it the entire scene was just a dramatic battle despite Thanos' domination while taking them on all at once and the only time he was in any real danger was when the Surfer almost grabbed his ig.

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All the Hulk -not sure if it was Professor or Merged- was able to accomplish was turn the head of a Thanos purposely not defending himself.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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All the Hulk -not sure if it was Professor or Merged- was able to accomplish was turn the head of a Thanos purposely not defending himself.

Originally posted by Stoic

So does Adam Warlock, and Quasar but I've seen them rated as Heralds. Hercules really doesn't lack durability, I agree with your She Hulk assessment. What about Ares? He nearly killed A-Bomb, and recently Rick tore it up with a Godzilla level monster, and won. The Hulk one shotted him.

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^ thanos vs thor w/power gem

Originally posted by darthgoober
Pip thought Thor could give Thanos a run on a normal day, he's hardly a reliable judge of stuff like that(otherwise Thor would have walked over Thanos like he did everyone else who could give Thor a run on a normal day). Later on Warlock said something like that they'd never seen Thanos's limits truely tested.

No one on team two can hurt either on team one without some kind of energy or weapon. Niether DS nore Thanos has ever been hurt by physical fighting in pure hand to hand by any brutes.

ds got his eyes swollen to the point his omega beams were out of use, and could barely see

Originally posted by psycho gundam
ds got his eyes swollen to the point his omega beams were out of use, and could barely see

he still did it

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he still did it

Originally posted by Oak Parker
No. DS hurt himself with his own power. The feat doesn't count for Superman. He couldn't have done it without energy coming into play. Everytime there was pure physical confrontation, DS was always Superman's superior. Look how easily DS back handed Wonder Woman. And she is close to Superman. WW also was heavily armored when she got pimp smacked by DS.

Good point.

I still can see wwh brutally stomping either of them.

Originally posted by Oak Parker
No. DS hurt himself with his own power. The feat doesn't count for Superman. He couldn't have done it without energy coming into play. Everytime there was pure physical confrontation, DS was always Superman's superior. Look how easily DS back handed Wonder Woman. And she is close to Superman. WW also was heavily armored when she got pimp smacked by DS.