Thanos/Darkseid vs WWH/Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really.

At this point I believe Green Scar would beat Thor in hand to hand combat. Power Gem sporting Thor? Nah. It would probably be a stalemate or a win for Thor if he taps into it further.

I'm assuming this is Thor in a bit of a dumb mindset like he was in Blood and Thunder.

I don't see Thor as dumb at all in blood and thunder just raging and uncompromising.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really.

At this point I believe Green Scar would beat Thor in hand to hand combat. Power Gem sporting Thor? Nah. It would probably be a stalemate or a win for Thor if he taps into it further.

I'm assuming this is Thor in a bit of a dumb mindset like he was in Blood and Thunder.

Your argument holds weight, if you read Thanos' Source Book, it was stated that Thor was confirmed to have been in Warrior Madness mode during his battle with Thanos in Blood and Thunder. Anyone thinking otherwise would be hanging onto speculation. I'm more willing to side with Marvel on this opinion than a random poster (no disrespect intended).

And hell yes, if Thor was in full control of the Power Gem he would most assuredly defeat the Hulk, if his strength mount was greater than the Hulks at that time. In most case though he would win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I miss nothing!!
Thanos did defend himself successfully on his own. If he can defend himself and prevent Morg's only temporary advantage and easily oneshot him what's the fuss all about ? Surfer has beaten Morg and Thanos mauls him when they play together.

Sentry at his pinnacle wasn't ever on Thanos' level. Look at Thanos just treating Marvell like a child and then just halting. he easily was slapping around someone who oneshotted the Magus.

Sentry's hard to kill yes but his mind is his only weakness and guess what is Thanos' greatest strength. Yeah.

Thanos beats down planet wreckers so call me unimpressed.

Thanos had help from Ganymede though, which allowed for him to recover.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos would maul Thor in hand to hand combat so him beating Thor proves what exactly ? Oh that you finally agree with me WW Hulk is greater than Thor.

I don't see Thor as dumb at all in blood and thunder just raging and uncompromising.

Uh what? Me admitting that Green Scar would beat Thor in a purely hand to hand fight isn't my basis for saying that he would beat Thanos -although it would certainly be more than Thanos has ever accomplished against Thor hand to hand- as it was you who mentioned the Thunderer in relation to Thanos/Green in the first place.

And no, Thanos would not maul Thor in hand to hand combat. Enough with your fan fiction.

He wasn't dumb in the sense that he had an I.Q. level on par with the Hulk but in the sense that he had absolutely no strategy except for one scene. He was basically a single goal driven brute. He was like Drax in that sense, only not as lacking in basic intelligence. His fighting skills definitely took a drop.

Originally posted by Stoic
Your argument holds weight, if you read Thanos' Source Book, it was stated that Thor was confirmed to have been in Warrior Madness mode during his battle with Thanos in Blood and Thunder. Anyone thinking otherwise would be hanging onto speculation. I'm more willing to side with Marvel on this opinion than a random poster (no disrespect intended).

And hell yes, if Thor was in full control of the Power Gem he would most assuredly defeat the Hulk, if his strength mount was greater than the Hulks at that time. In most case though he would win.

Thor was not in Warrior Madness during Blood and Thunder. Read the god damn comic. Odin straight up says it's not. I'm tired of this f*cking misconception. They placed Warrior Madness in quotation marks for a f*cking reason. It was a state similar to Warrior Madness in the sense that it made Thor completely blood thirsty. However, in Warrior Madness, for the most part, he can tell his enemies from his friends. During Blood and Thunder he was straight up insane.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos had help from Ganymede though, which allowed for him to recover.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Uh what? Me admitting that Green Scar would beat Thor in a purely hand to hand fight isn't my basis for saying that he would beat Thanos -although it would certainly be more than Thanos has ever accomplished against Thor hand to hand- as it was you who mentioned the Thunderer in relation to Thanos/Green in the first place.

And no, Thanos would not maul Thor in hand to hand combat. Enough with your fan fiction.

He wasn't dumb in the sense that he had an I.Q. level on par with the Hulk but in the sense that he had absolutely no strategy except for one scene. He was basically a single goal driven brute. He was like Drax in that sense, only not as lacking in basic intelligence. His fighting skills definitely took a drop.

Thor was not in Warrior Madness during Blood and Thunder. Read the god damn comic. Odin straight up says it's not. I'm tired of this f*cking misconception. They placed Warrior Madness in quotation marks for a f*cking reason. It was a state similar to Warrior Madness in the sense that it made Thor completely blood thirsty. However, in Warrior Madness, for the most part, he can tell his enemies from his friends. During Blood and Thunder he was straight up insane.

I know that Odin said that he wasn't in WM, but it was said that he was, and his actions stated such. Use your noodle for a second okay... No one could say boo to Thor, or even reason with him so do you believe the hippie father, or do you believe what you just saw with your eyes, as Thor bore down on you snarling like a beast? Retcons have happened in the past, so before your assumptions make us both look like asses, read the Thanos Source Book. They may have retconned odins opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos didn't need time to recover and they weren't there to kill him he just got in the way and was easily defeated. If Thanos can oneshot him and defend himself when Morg has the jump on him what chance does he have ?

Thanos did not one shot Morg, Morg was winded, and was right back up in the next few seconds battling Terrax. Thanos as I saw in the comic was hurt by Morg as well, and needed to grab Terrax's axe so that Morg would not kill him, which he did in defence, showing that Thanos is overhyped... I'm not hating on him, and know full well that he's a bad mofo, but he's just not as bad as many people make him out to be.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know that Odin said that he wasn't in WM, but it was said he was, and his actions stated such. Use your noodle for a second okay... No one could say boo to Thor, or even reason with him so do you believe the hippie father, or do you believe what you just saw with your eyes, as Thor bore down on you snarling like a beast? Retcons have happened in the past, so before you assumptions make us both look like asses, read the Thanos Source Book. They may have retconned odins opinion.

Try putting down your handbook and read the comic:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Seriously... this isn't meant to be hard for the reader to figure out:

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos did not one shot Morg, Morg was winded, and was right back up in the next few seconds battling Terrax. Thanos as I saw in the comic was hurt by Morg as well, and needed to grab Terrax's axe so that Morg would not kill him, which he did in defence, showing that Thanos is overhyped... I'm not hating on him, and know full well that he's a bad mofo, but he's just not as bad as many people make him out to be.

Tyrant also states you are more than these others were which includes Morg. Thanos is on another level. It's not even close.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know that Odin said that he wasn't in WM, but it was said that he was, and his actions stated such. Use your noodle for a second okay... No one could say boo to Thor, or even reason with him so do you believe the hippie father, or do you believe what you just saw with your eyes, as Thor bore down on you snarling like a beast? Retcons have happened in the past, so before your assumptions make us both look like asses, read the Thanos Source Book. They may have retconned odins opinion.

Are you some type of idiot?

It wasn't simply Odin's opinion. It was confirmed by Warlock, Thanos and his instruments and finally by Odin that it was not Warrior Madness. The only beings who believed it was Warrior Madness were Beta Ray Bill and Sif, who were proven to be wrong.

Warrior Madness being mentioned -in quotations I might add- in some random sourcebook doesn't retcon the entire premise of the arc which was that Thor became insane due to Odin's constant manipulations of his soul. Every time a Thor clone like Beta Ray Bill was created, they took a piece of Thor with them, reducing him to bits and pieces.

Haha GTFO. Thor beating the shit out of his "peers" doesn't somehow prove he was in Warrior Madness.

Also: Warrior Madness was stated to amp Thor's strength only once in '99.

As enjoying as it is to mock you, I have to get back to studying. I've wasted enough time on you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No one could say boo to Thor... except PG Drax, who stalemated him and Beta Ray Bill who toppled him.

Try putting down your handbook and read the comic:

Ok I can see Rages point and yours, but is there any possibility that it could have been retconned? This type of thing has happened many times in comics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos put him down he didn't try to kill him. Morg then recovered as they didn't press him but when Morg pressed Thanos he defended himself. That's the difference and there's the thing of Surfer beating Morg whereas Thanos mauls him.

Tyrant also states you are more than these others were which includes Morg. Thanos is on another level. It's not even close.

Surfers first battle with Morg went by another tune though didn't it? Morg beat him senseless. Also there's the little secret of Surfer beating Thanos, when they fought in medieval fashion. You remember when they both wore armor? The Surfer represented the White Knight, and Thanos represented the Dark Knight? You remember this fight? Well the Surfer won that battle. Thanos may not be as superior to High Herald as you might believe.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you some type of idiot?

It wasn't simply Odin's opinion. It was confirmed by Warlock, Thanos and his instruments and finally by Odin that it was not Warrior Madness. The only beings who believed it was Warrior Madness were Beta Ray Bill and Sif, who were proven to be wrong.

Warrior Madness being mentioned -in quotations I might add- in some random sourcebook doesn't retcon the entire premise of the arc which was that Thor became insane due to Odin's constant manipulations of his soul. Every time a Thor clone like Beta Ray Bill was created, they took a piece of Thor with them, reducing him to bits and pieces.

Haha GTFO. Thor beating the shit out of his "peers" doesn't somehow prove he was in Warrior Madness.

Also: Warrior Madness was stated to amp Thor's strength only once in '99.

As enjoying as it is to mock you, I have to get back to studying. I've wasted enough time on you.

Could it have been retconned? You're a step away from being reported for flaming.

Originally posted by Stoic
Ok I can see Rages point and yours, but is there any possibility that it could have been retconned? This type of thing has happened many times in comics.

Surfers first battle with Morg went by another tune though didn't it? Morg beat him senseless. Also there's the little secret of Surfer beating Thanos, when they fought in medieval fashion. You remember when they both wore armor? The Surfer represented the White Knight, and Thanos represented the Dark Knight? You remember this fight? Well the Surfer won that battle. Thanos may not be as superior to High Herald as you might believe.

Yes, Thanos still won their confrontation and they were both powerless there per Strange.

Ps. Thanos won and Surfer agreed. Thanos doesn't lose to the Surfer.

Originally posted by Stoic
Could it have been retconned? You're a step away from being reported for flaming.

Could it have been? I guess it's possible. Is it likely? I'd wager a large sum of money on no.

Haha what? I inferred that your an idiot.

Man up and grow a pair.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Could it have been? I guess it's possible. Is it likely? I'd wager a large sum of money on no.

Haha what? I inferred that your an idiot.

Man up and grow a pair.

it's still against the rules. if you don't want to deal with the guy, then i suggest sticking him on ignore. otherwise, try not to make it personal, please.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Could it have been? I guess it's possible. Is it likely? I'd wager a large sum of money on no.

Haha what? I inferred that your an idiot.

Man up and grow a pair.

Hey there are other ways to communicate with people other than flaming in an attempt to make yourself look better. I don't know who it is that you are used to dealing with, but with me all you have to do is make a simple point, and if I am wrong, I have no problem conceding, this stuff isn't that serious that you need to call a perfect stranger an idiot when you don't know them.

If I indeed need to grow a pair, then you may need to grow up, this is a comic book discussion. If you keep up the stance you will be reported, because you're actions were uncalled for. Just own it smart guy and move on.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hey there are other ways to communicate with people other than flaming in an attempt to make yourself look better. I don't know who it is that you are used to dealing with, but with me all you have to do is make a simple point, and if I am wrong, I have no problem conceding, this stuff isn't that serious that you need to call a perfect stranger an idiot when you don't know them.

If I indeed need to grow a pair, then you may need to grow up, this is a comic book discussion. If you keep up the stance you will be reported, because you're actions were uncalled for. Just own it smart guy and move on.

That's not helping.

Originally posted by Stoic
Ok I can see Rages point and yours, but is there any possibility that it could have been retconned? This type of thing has happened many times in comics.

Surfers first battle with Morg went by another tune though didn't it? Morg beat him senseless. Also there's the little secret of Surfer beating Thanos, when they fought in medieval fashion. You remember when they both wore armor? The Surfer represented the White Knight, and Thanos represented the Dark Knight? You remember this fight? Well the Surfer won that battle. Thanos may not be as superior to High Herald as you might believe.

Thing about the surfer is that his power isn't exactly a set variable. There was a time when the LT came before him and showed him Zenn'la as it could have been and supposedly in his rage surfer boosted his powerlevel over 9000 and Galactus wondered who in the universe could be more powerful than him. Have to look for the issue don't exactly remember where I read it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's still against the rules. if you don't want to deal with the guy, then i suggest sticking him on ignore. otherwise, try not to make it personal, please.

Sorry Pr. I'll tone it down.

I forgot how sensitive some people can be.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hey there are other ways to communicate with people other than flaming in an attempt to make yourself look better. I don't know who it is that you are used to dealing with, but with me all you have to do is make a simple point, and if I am wrong, I have no problem conceding, this stuff isn't that serious that you need to call a perfect stranger an idiot when you don't know them.

If I indeed need to grow a pair, then you may need to grow up, this is a comic book discussion. If you keep up the stance you will be reported, because you're actions were uncalled for. Just own it smart guy and move on.

Must.....Resist.....Urge.

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Pr cannot comprehend the depths of my love for him.