Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It was a reading comprehension failure because ast NO point did I say the reason why he was a bad partner was because of his lack of speed. In fact I made it clear why... I said I feel most of these people beat DS h2h.. I didn't think I needed to expand upon that further.. let alone explain away something I never said.We do agree on two things.. I do feel DS can fight at similar speeds as Thanos. I feel they are very close in this area. I also feel like DS has pretty good striking power in re: im slapping people back like they are children. I just don't feel like his skill and durability are good enough compared to the others in this fight.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, not what I'm referring to. He fought Orion only once where it was implied they were fighting at super speed. That DS and only that DS has a chance in h2h against any of these guys.
So don't act like I misread your argument, at least the one which you presented.
Had you actually stated something about durability or skill (as you retroactively tried to project so as to accuse me of "reading comprehension failure"😉 then I would have misread your argument. But as it stands you only mentioned speed and gave no solid hints that there were any other reasons for DS's perceived uselessness in h/h relative to Thanos. So I could only conclude that you were arguing that his lack of bonafide "combat speed" is what makes him a liability in h/h.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Honestly Thanos needs a better partner. DS while usually a good partner, really would get beat h2h by the majority of team 2 one v one. While Thanos could beat each one of these guys one v one.. I just don't know if DS is a big enough help here. If it's the DS we've only seen once before (his fight with Orion) then Team 1 could stomp. If it's normally DS.. Then it's a close fight.
Actually you need to get your facts straight... I love how you quoted only PART of my post lol. Yet left out the part before where I stated very clearly that I feel he is a bad partner because he would lose the majority of h2h battles against the opposing team. Very clear. I didn't feel like I needed to get into WHY he would lose those battles one v one. Which I later explained because of your confusion and misrespresenting my argument. Then I go on further to reference a fight in which I think DS was operating at a higher level and would be useful. Just because you made an assumption of the correlation there doesn't mean there was one. I never even mentioned DS not being fast enough as the reason why he would lose or not a good partner. I simply referenced a DS fight where he wasn't getting his ass kicked and i thought that DS would be useful. Your leaps and assumptions are your bad not mine.
^ And the reason for why said "version" would be useful was his speed. So again what about your "argument" am I misreading or misinterpreting?
Is there by chance a series of Director's Cut versions of your posts that I should be reading? If so I apologize for the mix-up. If not please stop acting like I haven't read your tripe.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Probably because Darkseid didn't want to give his target enough time to retaliate as they're winding around to their target:vin
I swear.. sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a child Omega. You're usually okay in this area, but today, seems like an off day for you. You keep on making the assumption and leap in my post because I NEVER EVER SAID what you're saying I did. What part about this is unclear? You're saying my argument is that DS lack of speed is why he losses or a bad partner. Which isn't true at all and never once stated as such. I made it CLEAR and even quoted my own post to illustrate this. I said he was a bad partner because he SUCKS at h2h. PERIOD. There are many reasons why he sucks at h2h combat, and just because I didn't list them, doesn't mean you can assume what I meant. Just because I referenced a fight in which he was using speed he doesn't normal use doesn't mean that is all I was talking about. He not only displayed better than normal speed he also was showing a good amount of skill and durability. Your assumptions are just that assumptions of what I was saying. I made it clear.. DS usually gets his ass kicked in h2h fights and that is why he's a bad partner. Not because of his lack of speed, something I never said nor even implied.
Originally posted by Black bolt zWWH being stronger than Thanos in physical strength/combat is based on what?
Then its a good thing there are more people on here then WWH.WWH>Thanos in physical strength.
Why dont you list all the thing WWH did that you think Thanos cant, because there isnt one single feat WWH did that Thanos couldnt.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I swear.. sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a child Omega. You're usually okay in this area, but today, seems like an off day for you. You keep on making the assumption and leap in my post because I NEVER EVER SAID what you're saying I did. What part about this is unclear? You're saying my argument is that DS lack of speed is why he losses or a bad partner. Which isn't true at all and never once stated as such. I made it CLEAR and even quoted my own post to illustrate this. I said he was a bad partner because he SUCKS at h2h. PERIOD. There are many reasons why he sucks at h2h combat, and just because I didn't list them, doesn't mean you can assume what I meant. Just because I referenced a fight in which he was using speed he doesn't normal use doesn't mean that is all I was talking about. He not only displayed better than normal speed he also was showing a good amount of skill and durability. Your assumptions are just that assumptions of what I was saying. I made it clear.. DS usually gets his ass kicked in h2h fights and that is why he's a bad partner. Not because of his lack of speed, something I never said nor even implied.
Your original posts don't give any reasons for why DS is useless in h/h, only mentioning that a "version" that fought Orion and was shown/implied to have superspeed would make a good partner. From that I could have only concluded that Darkseid's shortcoming in your eyes was one of speed.
I now know that you're pretty much just saying he's a bad partner because he's Darkseid with no real support other than your own malformed assessment of his h/h credentials.
And at this point you're all but trolling me with your accusations.
Originally posted by Nihilist
WWH being stronger than Thanos in physical strength/combat is based on what?Why dont you list all the thing WWH did that you think Thanos cant, because there isnt one single feat WWH did that Thanos couldnt.
In truth it's not the Hulk that would need to prove that his strength is on Thanos' level. It's really the other way around. Thanos has never once shown that he can lift anywhere near the amount that the Hulk can, and has. H2H wise I have yet to see the Hulk/Banner as a poor H2H practitioner.
Originally posted by StoicLifting feats mean nothing when it comes to h2h fighting/strength, WWH did nothing Thanos couldnt do, one shotting Ares and Thing wow thats some major feat now isnt it lol.
In truth it's not the Hulk that would need to prove that his strength is on Thanos' level. It's really the other way around. Thanos has never once shown that he can lift anywhere near the amount that the Hulk can, and has. H2H wise I have yet to see the Hulk/Banner as a poor H2H practitioner.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
See this is where your argument falls apart. The list of people DS has beaten in h/h is a good deal longer than the list of people he's lost to. Who has he lost to in h/h? All told three people. There's H/P DD who would take any member of T2 in h/h (and who cheapshotted DS btw), there's Superman (who he's bested or stalemated more times than he's lost to), and there's Orion who he's actually beaten more times than not despite the fact that Orion holds nothing back in their fights and is a peer of anyone on Team 2 in h/h. So your argument boils down to "DS sucks at fighting becuz he's DS".Your original posts don't give any reasons for why DS is useless in h/h, only mentioning that a "version" that fought Orion and was shown/implied to have superspeed would make a good partner. From that I could have only concluded that Darkseid's shortcoming in your eyes was one of speed.
I now know that you're pretty much just saying he's a bad partner because he's Darkseid with no real support other than your own malformed assessment of his h/h credentials.
And at this point you're all but trolling me with your accusations.
Trolling you.. BWHAHAHAHA.. that is by far one of the stupidiest things you've ever said. Trolling you... No I wanted exactly what you just gave me... You conceded that you assumed what I meant and stated it as a fact. However, you not admitted you just assumed that is what I meant because I never ONCE said what you implied I did. Thanks for the concession.
So, now you wanna argue about DS h2h abilities eh? Okay.. you do realize that in some of the fights you mentioned DS didn't win right.. he just held his own? Please list for me all these times he's beat down supes BY H2H only as you claim? Same with Orion.. I want a list of this victories via h2h as I seem to remember many of them not being strictly h2h which is what we are talking about here.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Lifting feats mean nothing when it comes to h2h fighting/strength, WWH did nothing Thanos couldnt do, one shotting Ares and Thing wow thats some major feat now isnt it lol.
I have yet to see what makes Thanos the Hulks peer in strength. Ares and Thing? No, and nice attempt at trying to cover up the Hulks simple footfall that nearly sank the Eastern Seaboard, not to mention the fact that he was reigning in the upper levels of his rage, or his casual shifting of a mega continent. When has the current Hulk/Banner shown incompetence in a H2H scrimmage? Tell me so that I can read this book.