Thanos/Darkseid vs WWH/Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor

Started by Stoic25 pages
Originally posted by Uriel005
Thing about the surfer is that his power isn't exactly a set variable. There was a time when the LT came before him and showed him Zenn'la as it could have been and supposedly in his rage surfer boosted his powerlevel over 9000 and Galactus wondered who in the universe could be more powerful than him. Have to look for the issue don't exactly remember where I read it.

I think I remember the title that you're speaking of, it was a little after the Surfer found out that Shalla Bal fell in love with Norrin's brother right? I'm not too sure whether or not the Surfer was putting out that kind of power when he defeated Thanos though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Must.....Resist.....Urge.

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Pr cannot comprehend the depths of my love for him.

mmm

but i don't have long, flowing blonde locks...

Originally posted by -Pr-
mmm

but i don't have long, flowing blonde locks...

A wig and some tights and I can pretend. At least I'll try. For you. Thor never has to know.

I'll even do the kinky visor thing you always begging me to try.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A wig and some tights and I can pretend. At least I'll try. For you. Thor never has to know.

I'll even do the kinky visor thing you always begging me to try.

when will people realise that I'M the one that wears the visor?

dammit to hell...

Originally posted by -Pr-
when will people realise that I'M the one that wears the visor?

dammit to hell...

😕

So who gets to wear the cape and red tights?

You get the visor, the wig and get to play with my Mjolnir. We gotta balance this out.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😕

So who gets to wear the cape and red tights?

You get the visor, the wig and get to play with my Mjolnir. We gotta balance this out.

the tights are BLUE!

god dammit. i swear, you're just being difficult now. is this because when you wanted a norse god you got loki instead of thor?

Originally posted by -Pr-
the tights are BLUE!

god dammit. i swear, you're just being difficult now. is this because when you wanted a norse god you got loki instead of thor?

That was a f*cking assholish thing to do. Dressing up as Loki made me loose my thunder.

How would you feel if I came over as Lex Luthor?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was a f*cking assholish thing to do. Dressing up as Loki made me loose my thunder.

How would you feel if I came over as Lex Luthor?

don't be silly. we both know you can't pull off the bald look.

Meh, I think I'd look pretty sexy.

Besides, I could make it up in other ways. Me being a mad scientist and all means I'd have to experiment on you with all manner of tools and equipment.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Meh, I think I'd look pretty sexy.

Besides, I could make it up in other ways. Me being a mad scientist and all means I'd have to experiment on you with all manner of tools and equipment.

😆

we'd better stop before my lady accidentally sees this page and punishes me. and not in a good way.

plus, back on topic and all that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
😆

we'd better stop before my lady accidentally sees this page and punishes me. and not in a good way.

plus, back on topic and all that.

..........

I hate you. You always do this: leading me on, playing with my emotions and then just stopping short of the finish line. My pants were off and everything.

I'm going to bed. Good night my little leprechaun. I'll see you in my dreams.

love is in the air etc...

Originally posted by Warlord
love is in the air etc...
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Originally posted by Nihilist
How the hell would WWH beat Thanos in aphysical fight when he couldnt even beat Sentry after having 7 free punches.

Give Thanos 7 free punches on Sentry and see what happens, hell Thanos killed Surfer in about the same amount of punches.

Then its a good thing there are more people on here then WWH.WWH>Thanos in physical strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what exactly ?

Thanos weathered his assault and took him down with one blast. Sentry wanted to lose and thanked him for beating him later on. If sentry let the Void take control he'd have one shotted WW Hulk.

The fact that WWH is stronger then thanos.

Your point?Terrax sucks

No he wouldn't have.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really.

At this point I believe Green Scar would beat Thor in hand to hand combat. Power Gem sporting Thor? Nah. It would probably be a stalemate or a win for Thor if he taps into it further.

I'm assuming this is Thor in a bit of a dumb mindset like he was in Blood and Thunder.

Purely physical with no BFR?Yeah i can agree with this.

Originally posted by Stoic
Ok I can see Rages point and yours, but is there any possibility that it could have been retconned? This type of thing has happened many times in comics.

Surfers first battle with Morg went by another tune though didn't it? Morg beat him senseless. Also there's the little secret of Surfer beating Thanos, when they fought in medieval fashion. You remember when they both wore armor? The Surfer represented the White Knight, and Thanos represented the Dark Knight? You remember this fight? Well the Surfer won that battle. Thanos may not be as superior to High Herald as you might believe.

1: 😐
2: They were both powerless in that game...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Morg beat him the first time he fought him and then went down the second time.

Yes, Thanos still won their confrontation and they were both powerless there per Strange.

Ps. Thanos won and Surfer agreed. Thanos doesn't lose to the Surfer.

No surfer won it.He just didn't kill thanos.But considering they were both powerless it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm not dead wrong in comparing the two arguments, you used the spped-blitz stopping argument to show that Thanos could deal with Superman in h/h yet decry my use of a similar argument to support Darkseid's ability to do the same (which is supported by on panel evidence).

The fact that you believe that fighting Orion is the pinnacle of DS's speed showings is just precious.

Super "fighting speed" and super reflexes in the context of comics are often the same thing, hence why Deathstroke's reflexes allow him to fight speedsters despite them logically being vastly faster than him.

Your argument that Thanos needed a better partner than DS was predicated on the assertion that DS couldn't fight against super fast opponents (except for one "version" that fought against Orion who is slower than Superman), which is patently false as seen by his fights with Superman.

Also where are Thanos's showings of "combat super speed" since those seem to be so important to winning or losing this battle (enough that the percieved lack thereof in DS makes him a "bad partner" for Thanos)?

I have NEVER ONCE said Thanos can fight at super speed… never. I think he can fight a good speeds but not super speeds. I've said he has excellent and fast reaction speed as we've seen in dealing with blitz. How you feel are the same is beyond me. Think of it this way… in the 100 yard dash… some people have the quickest reaction time from the gun… yet get blown away after the first half of the race by THE faster people with speed. Reaction speed isn't the same as super fighting speed. People can have both but sometimes people can have more or one or the other. Fact. However, I guess then you feel that Thanos has super speed.. lol.. nice. Thanks Omega. You said.. if you have reaction speed then you have super combat speed. Cool.. guess you view Thanos as having this and I'll hope to see this stated in other arguments 🙂

The next reading comprehension failure you exhibited was again not understanding why I was saying Thanos needs a better partner. I said that because DS plain sucks at h2h. His durability is crap and he doesn't have much MA skill to speak of. That combined with a lack of super fighting speed makes him a liability. I give wwh, thor, Supes all a slight majority over DS in a strictly h2h affair. THAT is why I said Thanos needs a better partner. Not because he doesn’t have super speed. Never once said that. I only brought up the Orion fight to say… if DS is fighting at this ONE TIME level never seen before or since… he would be an asset.. all of his other showings.. show him NOT fighting at that speed and mostly getting punked when it goes h2h. Next time try and get my arguments correct please.

Lastly, I just want to clarify because you keep dodging the question… You feel DS can fight at super speeds correct? You feel this way because… he's dealt with Supes before right? You also feel like all of DS other fights were at super speeds even though it was never even implied, let alone said, yet you feel he was right?

^ How is it a reading comprehension failure if nowhere in your original post did you mention anything about durability or h/h skill? The only reason you gave for why DS was a bad partner was his perceived lack of speed, which makes no sense considering his speed is about the same as that of your golden boy Thanos.

He also isn't useless at h/h as shown by his fights with both Orion and Superman. I've seen you and other Thanos fanboys use Thanos's pimp smacking scrubs like Thing as proof of his h/h greatness when Darkseid has similar feats against Low-Mid Heralds like Kalibak (who btw has fought Orion on even terms in h/h) and Captain Atom, as well as Superman in their first encounter.

I honestly have no interest in pursuing this "do you feel he can fight at super speeds" argument because it's pointless to the debate at hand. I feel Darkseid fights at similar speeds to Thanos, ergo his speed isn't a liability relative to Thanos's.

So at this point you're really just being a DS hater.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
^ How is it a reading comprehension failure if nowhere in your original post did you mention anything about durability or h/h skill? The only reason you gave for why DS was a bad partner was his perceived lack of speed, which makes no sense considering his speed is about the same as that of your golden boy Thanos.

He also isn't useless at h/h as shown by his fights with both Orion and Superman. I've seen you and other Thanos fanboys use Thanos's pimp smacking scrubs like Thing as proof of his h/h greatness when Darkseid has similar feats against Low-Mid Heralds like Kalibak (who btw has fought Orion on even terms in h/h) and Captain Atom, as well as Superman in their first encounter.

I honestly have no interest in pursuing this "do you feel he can fight at super speeds" argument because it's pointless to the debate at hand. I feel Darkseid fights at similar speeds to Thanos, ergo his speed isn't a liability relative to Thanos's.

So at this point you're really just being a DS hater.

It was a reading comprehension failure because ast NO point did I say the reason why he was a bad partner was because of his lack of speed. In fact I made it clear why... I said I feel most of these people beat DS h2h.. I didn't think I needed to expand upon that further.. let alone explain away something I never said.

We do agree on two things.. I do feel DS can fight at similar speeds as Thanos. I feel they are very close in this area. I also feel like DS has pretty good striking power in re: im slapping people back like they are children. I just don't feel like his skill and durability are good enough compared to the others in this fight.