Originally posted by zopzop
I've already pointed out to you there's a difference between competent and noob users of the Gems. I gave two examples too : Thanos and Moondragon. So if we don't know how he collected them we can't say what resistance he showed to their powers (we don't know if the Gem users were competent).Also where was it claimed that the Time and Mind Gems won't work on Galactus?
Why can't he? Because Eternity can't? How many times has Eternity been owned by beings "far beneath" him? Nightmare is the first that comes to mind. A being like the IB is > Nightmare or Dormammu.
The Handbook says he's immune to the effects of the Gems and I'll stick with what Marvel says. Unless you can provide scans to the contrary, I'm not under any obligation to search anything out.
The IB was stalemating Galactus in Galactus' universe then was about to go on to own him until Surfer/Nova/The Elders stepped in. The IB doesn't get weaker because he "hungers" and he can't die from lack of nourishment. The IB is an abstract. Maelstrom even mocked Galactus that while he needed to feed, he wasn't Hunger itself (ie he wasn't an abstract being like Maelstrom and hence beneath him).
So they have to be Thanos level intellect in order for you to believe that the user wielding the gem is competent? While the user being competent is certainly a aspect of the gems potential, it means nothing if the character in question like Galactus for instance, have shown resistance to 1 of the gems, been beyond the power of the second, strongly hinted to ignore the third, and last but not least was only drained from the power of the Infinity Gems when they was acting like a conduit else their power over him was nonexistant.
Galactus represent his own beginning and end, (him merging with the previous Eternity and all that) so unless the time gem can stop the time within a universe without assistance from the powergem well... and the Mind Gem didn't work wonders for Thanos when he had Moondragon use it with him to try and force knowledge from Galactus.
Because the beings that created him Master Order and Lord Chaos combined with the rest of the Abstracts at that point of time, stood no chance against Thanos with the IG, or anyone else with it for that matter, now unless you have something that presents IB as above, Hate, Love, Stranger, Eon, Galactus, Eternity, 2 Celestials, Master Order, Lord Chaos, Cronos, Mephisto and Death this debate isn't worth continuing, because then you have nothing to back up your claim exact a handbook that mentions the Infinity Gems not the Infinity Gauntlet and those two things can hardly be considered the same. I know that the IB is powerful, but what makes him powerful is his ability to summon the opposite of his opponent, but when that isn't a possibility his powerlevel isn't above that of Galactus imo.
Your making a claim based on a handbook alone, I'm asking you if that is the only evidence you have for the claim you presented, and you answered that question, however your entire notation that IB is subject to only LT in Status and Power is obviously wrong, if that was the case, Master Order and Lord Chaos, who both are far beneath LT, won't have been capable of brushing IB aside like they did.
If IB was as you claim stalemating Galactus in the physical realm, why was there a need for IB to draw Galactus into a focus point inbetween where IB was at his strongest, unless IB, who you hold in high regard, is complete unaware of what is a regular knowledge in the universe, which is that Galactus deplets his energy, then there was no logical reason for IB to act as he did, if it wasn't for him being about to lose. It's a misunderstanding not to think Galactus a abstract and neither is it complete right either, Galactus is as we know a fusion between a Abstract and a Human and have thus created something inbetween, a semi abstract, that based on how each race that looks at him obtains a different picture of Galactus Galactus form can best be considered a form of M-body.
