Originally posted by Bentley
Freaking. Concession. Accepted.Nice debating with you 👆
I'm glad that we agree that hulk>doomsday and odin>galactus and thor>>superman and surfer since he has taken on more than one celestial, defeated galactus twice, defeated mangog, and fought odin while he was armored in the destroyers armor.
Nice debating with you.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Feats only matter to a point. The creator of Blue Marvel made it damn clear that the character is on par with the top dogs like Sentry, Superman, Hulk and as ridiculous as it might seem, even Thor.Blue Marvel might have not lifted an infinite amount of weight but on average? It's a stalemate. If I had to pick a winner, it'd be Clark but it'd be a heck of a fight. The outcome would be similar to the Sentry/Blue Marvel battle.
Superman is not just a power-level, he's above Hyperion and other people on his weight class because he consistently beats the odds being the prime hero in his universe. No other flying brick has proved himself as much.
I don't assume BM is weak because of his relatively short comic life, it's because you don't become Superman by an statement "he's as strong as Superman", it's not like Kal doesn't clash with people with his exact powerset in a regular basis. BM may have taken the SSS, but Superman is freaking Captain America.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusCount 10089
Feats only matter to a point. The creator of Blue Marvel made it damn clear that the character is on par with the top dogs like Sentry, Superman, Hulk and as ridiculous as it might seem, even Thor.Blue Marvel might have not lifted an infinite amount of weight but on average? It's a stalemate. If I had to pick a winner, it'd be Clark but it'd be a heck of a fight. The outcome would be similar to the Sentry/Blue Marvel battle.
Originally posted by Bentley
Superman is not just a power-level, he's above Hyperion and other people on his weight class because he consistently beats the odds being the prime hero in his universe. No other flying brick has proved himself as much.I don't assume BM is weak because of his relatively short comic life, it's because you don't become Superman by an statement "he's as strong as Superman", it's not like Kal doesn't clash with people with his exact powerset in a regular basis. BM may have taken the SSS, but Superman is freaking Captain America.
So now you are changing your argument... first yoi stated superman would win due to feats and now you are saying he would win due to him being superman. Like I said before... blue marvel in my opinion edges him out. He soloed a guy that annihilated the avengers, he also one shotted sentry, something that even wwh, thor, genis, collective, were unable to do.
Just like rage said, I could see the fight going just like the blue marvel and sentry fight went. Supes fly up to blue marvel, get punched out of orbit(one shotted)... he flies back after waking up, complimenting blue marvels strength and fly back and they go at it.
Originally posted by rotiartThe thing is that most Marvel heralds are energy manipulators, while most of DC's are speeding bricks. People then compare bricks with bricks and see the Hulk, Namor and Miss Marvel are below the likes of SM, CM and WW. But this is simply silly.
So in comparison of higher scales... The whole annihilation thing.. The current Adam magus storyline during the thanos imperative.. Surfer and crew... Beta ray bill and Thor corps all pale in comparison to dc? ... Really?!
And yes, I'm talking about DC earth, I meant nothing about the Cosmic range of things.
The strength levels are just far more consistently outrageous in DC. Though Gladiator in the past was competitive in the ridiculousness.
Sure, there are analogs between the two, but that doesn't mean they are equivalent.
I mean hell, Lobo just slammed Pulsar Stargrave like a tennis ball into the ground. And that thing weighs as much as a star. Screw catching a state sized meteor, Lobo would beat the shit out of Blue Marvel. Easily.
Originally posted by carver9
So now you are changing your argument... first yoi stated superman would win due to feats and now you are saying he would win due to him being superman. Like I said before... blue marvel in my opinion edges him out. He soloed a guy that annihilated the avengers, he also one shotted sentry, something that even wwh, thor, genis, collective, were unable to do.Just like rage said, I could see the fight going just like the blue marvel and sentry fight went. Supes fly up to blue marvel, get punched out of orbit(one shotted)... he flies back after waking up, complimenting blue marvels strength and fly back and they go at it.
What makes Captain America? The feats or the statement about what the SSS does? If someone is peak of human potential then he will be as good as Cap? Nope, I have feats by Cap outdoing other people with the SSS -such as Johann-, I have feats of Cap doing amazing things without his powers, I have him doing things no one else has done.
If you can even begin to admit Superman may get one-shotted I don't want you ever recanting your "I love DC heralds" rant because you're full of it.
I'm not going to discuss feats regarding Sentry because the character is abyssmal and god knows I've discussed way too much about him already. King Hyperion has been felled by freaking Namora.
Originally posted by Bentley
What makes Captain America? The feats or the statement about what the SSS does? If someone is peak of human potential then he will be as good as Cap? Nope, I have feats by Cap outdoing other people with the SSS -such as Johann-, I have feats of Cap doing amazing things without his powers, I have him doing things no one else has done.If you can even begin to admit Superman may get one-shotted I don't want you ever recanting your "I love DC heralds" rant because you're full of it.
I'm not going to discuss feats regarding Sentry because the character is abyssmal and god knows I've discussed way too much about him already. King Hyperion has been felled by freaking Namora.
Lol... king hype wasn't dropped by namora...she snapped his neck, he popped it back into place and killed her with a cosmic blast from the eyes.
Of course captain america, batman, wolverine, superman, hulk, and thor will have better feats than their peers... its how comics are, popularity overwhelms the odds. Even with all of these amazing showing thor have, he has been dropped by beta ray bill and even stalemated by him. Even though hulk has all of these amazing showings, he has been dropped by abomination, knocked out by juggernaut, stalemated by drax, etc.
Even though wolverine has showings of holding his own against heralds he have been knocked out by mr.x, destroyed by gorgon, taken out by cyclops, and kicked into another country by gorgon from black bolts crew.
Do I need to keep going? Feats are good to use SOMETIMES but there are still times that you have to look past this because some people feats will just out weigh the other due to popularity, especially if this character show up in like 5 comics a month.
By the way, you are seriously underating the sentry. This same sentry fought wwh AND thor and didn't come close to passing out like he did against blue marvel so that alone should tell you how powerful blue marvel is.