(shadowland)Daredevil vs Wolverine(demon)

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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Juk3n
oh he's in a fight, but the question remains is he fighting to the best of his ability? ESPECIALLY when forum battles are concerend. Ie a situation when one combatant WONT be trying o reason with the other..

i always assumed fighting to kill at the best of your ability = going all out. With a straite face, did that fight with x-23 look like a Wolverine going all out? 😕

That might be your question. But that's not what this argument is about. It's about whether X-23 beat Wolverine in that fight:
Originally posted by King Castle
Wolverine has also fought X-23 while simply defending not fighting back and she is acknowledge to have superhuman speed and combat reflexes.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7604/808704-x235go7_super.png

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
X-23 also beat Wolverine. In that fight.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
no she dident, he straight up let her. thats far cry from defeating him.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

She was able to while going all out able to defeat a holding back wolverine, which is completely irrelevent, becuase he not be holding back in forum match.

SasuOna Senior Member

We know Echo got a win over Wolverine in h2h by copying Daredevil and Bullseye's fighting style.

-Shadowland DD tanked getting stabbed, overpowered Wolverine and hit him through a stone pillar.
-Daredevil has better senses than Wolverine baring his sense of smell which has no actual use in a fight anyway.
-Wolverine was only ever able to keep up with DD while he was slowed down with his armor costume.
-Daredevil could even predict when Logan is going to pop his claws by listening to his body.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
She was able to while going all out able to defeat a holding back wolverine, which is completely irrelevent, becuase he not be holding back in forum match.
King Castle Restricted

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That might be your question. But that's not what this argument is about. It's about whether X-23 beat Wolverine in that fight:
context pls the response was to the person who said that Daredevil is faster then wolverine. my scan was to show if Daredevil could duplicate the blitz defensive maneuver that logan showed with x-23.

@ sasuona

Echo did not beat wolverine, her h2h skills are not even close to logans standard feat scans not close by a mile. best she got were some hit and if it were a point system maybe she could score enough to win. the fight on panel ended before Logan started fighting if Echo not surrendered in the next panel b/c she realized who he was when he popped his claws she would have bn dog food.

you are sh#$ talkin about a guy who can take over a thousand hand ninjas with only one hit... who has fought Ogun, stick and other various masters and won.

anyways... here is a good speed feat for logan immediately after being tortured & wounded close range dodging
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/UncannyX-Men498Large-14.jpg

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by King Castle
context pls the response was to the person who said that Daredevil is faster then wolverine. my scan was to show if Daredevil could duplicate the blitz defensive maneuver that logan showed with x-23.
Yes. And you failed to provide the context that X-23 actually beat Wolverine in that fight you referenced. I provided it. And now somehow... if Wolverine loses a fight, he actually wasn't fighting to begin with and therefore it doesn't count as a loss.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by SasuOna
We know Echo got a win over Wolverine in h2h by copying Daredevil and Bullseye's fighting style.

you just made that up completely. All she was able to do was get him angry. So now getting some one angry equates to winning?

Originally posted by SasuOna
Shadowland DD tanked getting stabbed, overpowered Wolverine and hit him through a stone pillar.

Yea and I showed a scan of wolverine going through several pillars then getting repeatedly getting hit by class 100 and not going out. It was a plot device that the stone pillar happen to fall on him.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Daredevil has better senses than Wolverine baring his sense of smell which has no actual use in a fight anyway.

actaully it can be he used it to tell of attacks before they occur quite a few times. I also shown a scan of wolverine already sensing an attack before it occurs.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Wolverine was only ever able to keep up with DD while he was slowed down with his armor costume.

wolverine has never once had trouble keeping up with DD. In fact I even posted a feat of speed for wolverine which I notice you never matched, but simply sent irrelevent red herring which were not the least bit comparable.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Daredevil could even predict when Logan is going to pop his claws by listening to his body.

Thats completely irrelevent.

King Castle Restricted

@sasu

just to let you know Logan was blocking her attacks at the beginning again he was purely defense until he started getting riled up.

here is how it ended:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9598/daredevilv20540506.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4928/daredevilv20540708.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1298/daredevilv20540910.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8643/daredevilv205411.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1030/daredevilv205412.jpg

SasuOna Senior Member

Originally posted by King Castle

@ sasuona

Echo did not beat wolverine, her h2h skills are not even close to logans standard feat scans not close by a mile. best she got were some hit and if it were a point system maybe she could score enough to win. the fight on panel ended before Logan started fighting if Echo not surrendered in the next panel b/c she realized who he was when he popped his claws she would have bn dog food.

you are sh#$ talkin about a guy who can take over a thousand hand ninjas with only one hit... who has fought Ogun, stick and other various masters and won.

anyways... here is a good speed feat for logan immediately after being tortured & wounded close range dodging


You keep making up bogus claims that somehow Echo isn't comparable to Wolverine in H2H when its shown that all she had to do to incapacitate him was copy DD and Bullseye's moves.
The fight in question we even see him hit the ground. Everything after that is wolverine attacking her and not being able to put her down.
Her later realizes shes hallucinating, so he pops his claws to show her hes not an animal.

If Echo could beat Wolverine when she was disorientated and had been fasting for 4 days. Shes obviously above him in H2H.

As for Daredevil having speed feats comparable to Wolverine
Using his claws to cut the barrels of guns is not a speed feat. Jumping before a soldier fires at you is not a speed feat. All hes really doing is blitzing human reaction times.
A real speed feat is when you react to something that has already been fired. Wolverine lacks these feats while Daredevil has an abundance of these feats.
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7061/hvhnjmkm.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2474/bhvhbja.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1598/hbjnkmkq.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/378/hbhnjmkmad.jpg
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http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8549/bbjnkma.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/551/jbjmlmla.jpg
Yeah until I see Wolverine legitimately dodge or deflect something after it was fired at him I'm not believing hes as fast as DD or Spider-man for that matter.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

hahaahahah this is just laughable, I going to destroy your entire arguement, whats even worse, is your not even reading the comic correctly, but don't worry I make so to go in detail later when I make the full response, but it may be a bit.

SasuOna Senior Member

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
hahaahahah this is just laughable, I going to destroy your entire arguement, whats even worse, is your not even reading the comic correctly, but don't worry I make so to go in detail later when I make the full response, but it may be a bit.

I can imagine David Mack's art must be hard for you to interpret but going from straw man to straw man after you keep getting called out on being wrong in this thread isn't helping you prove anything.
Anyway
-So I bring up the fact that Echo incapacitated Wolverine while using DD and Bullseye's moves.
which is true seeing as we see him hit the ground after this was stated.
-Wolverine gets up and gets serious trying to put her down.
-She makes more comments about Wolverine's fight style
-makes a comment about seeing his breath and him getting slower
-Wolverine pops his claws cause he can't handle her in H2H

You say I'm not reading the comic correctly but when you won't even acknowledge that while Echo was disorientated and fasting for 3 days Logan still couldn't put her down with h2h this claim is just laughable.

The point about Echo beating Wolverine is sound because in the end he couldn't handle her in H2h and had to pop his claws.

King Castle Restricted

cant believe someone can lowball a character to the point they think a olympic human is equal to a superhuman with hyper reflexes and century of skill but i'll bite.

wolverine speed/agility is able to take on hydra, aim, hand ninjas without anyone getting a good look at him and thinking he is three people.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1253/wolvieiscapgp1.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6516/wolvieiscap2us7.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5071/wolvieiscap3ri1.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9290/wolvieisbeastlf2.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2259/wolvieisbeast2qq0.jpg

disappears in front of nightcrawler
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6018/wolverinedissapearsak5.jpg

hand movement fast enough to strip a cyborg down in mid swing.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg

chases down cyclops and cuts his knife without cyclops seeing him
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/wolverinespeedmcp01.jpg
dodging uzi fire close range.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7562/wpyrate0918op3.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4812/wolverinev21810hr3me2.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7831/groupbulletdodgeab7.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4418/groupbulletdodge2sj2.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3770/weaponx020018.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1481/wolverinewx030007.jpg

weaves through the gunfire
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5286/bulletweaveas5.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9711/wolviebullye1.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9949/bullets8ou1.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/43/bulletdodgeww6.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4942/76519loganuke2tj4.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3962/76525loganuke3jt3.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3648/autododgedw2.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8318/autododge2ux7.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/More%20Fights/Wolverine__Doop_001_006.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/More%20Fights/Wolverine__Doop_001_007.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5475/dodginges0.jpg

Deadpool
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4491/wo21dcp0008kz9.jpg
Scalphunter
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1841/sabesfasttakedownzz9.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2212/scalphunterdodgingss0.jpg

daredevil surprised that logan is dodging gunfire close range and running at the shooter
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2002/ddbulletdodgekh3.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/51/ddbulletdodge2kw2.jpg

blocks with claws rocket darts/lazer fire/reflex
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http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1578/reflexes3vq6.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2007/wolv2mz1.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8943/wolvvd5.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3559/reflexes1bi5.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5402/kwls2pg18lowresnc4.jpg
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http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3575/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0nx6.jpg
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http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2714/wolviemrx030.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/1990/wolviemrx032.jpg

blocks/dodges laser blast
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/axm-017.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/851/lasers.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7770/cyklopsdodge.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/970/beamdodgeld7.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8592/lazerxfire.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9748/lazerxfire2.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1088/wolvielasera.jpg

agility
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/WMD_04_Oroboros_DCP_018.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/WMD_04_Oroboros_DCP_020.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3753/livinglightningfj9.jpg

makes spidey doubt himself
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/235/781531114956336ob2.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8513/781531114956293ry0.jpg

blitz running dodging lazer fire
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1990/energydodge2.jpg

i shouldnt have to this but whatever and i didnt post his solo superhuman team fights which would be an excellent display of speed, agility and fighting skills

SasuOna Senior Member

Originally posted by King Castle
daredevil surprised that logan is dodging gunfire close range and running at the shooter
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/...letdodgekh3.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/...etdodge2kw2.jpg

Out of everything you posted which amounted to nothing but speculative aim dodging feats and faster than the eye can see movement.

This is probably the only instance of a true speed feat from Wolverine and even then I consider it an out-lier/aim dodge feat because we know Bushwacker started shooting while Wolverine was already moving making the fact that Daredevil commenting on Wolverine dodging said bullets all the more questionable, not to mention this is hardly a consistent feat from him.

King Castle Restricted

none not even spidey can out speed bullets they all do it in the split second it takes for the guy to pull the trigger here are examples:

spidey explains bullet dodging, spidey has the benefit of his early warning system and reaction to time his response from webbing to moving.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/20066/1316161-1051707_feat27sswe5_super_super.jpg

daredevil explains bullet dodging DD has his radar to help him time
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884062-daredevil3nh9_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884063-daredevil4yb8_super.jpg

Wolverine analyzing Shogun a piece of his soul possessing his skills and abilities trying to explain his speed. Wolverine relies on his senses as well as his training.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/1012436-shoguna2mp9_super.jpg

in all cases it comes down to timing unless you think they are all capable of near short of mach speed.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

wow. they really like to make cyclops look bad.

King Castle Restricted

Originally posted by -Pr-
wow. they really like to make cyclops look bad.
its not that bad. logan has it the worse they turned him into a measuring stick that his winning record has dropped massively this past decade, i could swear they treat logan like a red headed stepchild.

-Pr- Hey Yo!
Originally posted by King Castle
its not that bad. logan has it the worse they turned him into a measuring stick that his winning record has dropped massively this past decade, i could swear they treat logan like a red headed stepchild.

it is to me lol.

maybe they're trying to correct earlier mistakes?

King Castle Restricted

Originally posted by -Pr-
it is to me lol.

maybe they're trying to correct earlier mistakes?

yeh, they needed to make up for that adamantium backfist cyclops gave logan. they new it was beyond comic standard consistency and disbelief.

his hand should have shattered and logan should have shrugged it off.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by King Castle
none not even spidey can out speed bullets they all do it in the split second it takes for the guy to pull the trigger here are examples:

spidey explains bullet dodging, spidey has the benefit of his early warning system and reaction to time his response from webbing to moving.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/20066/1316161-1051707_feat27sswe5_super_super.jpg

daredevil explains bullet dodging DD has his radar to help him time
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884062-daredevil3nh9_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884063-daredevil4yb8_super.jpg

Wolverine analyzing Shogun a piece of his soul possessing his skills and abilities trying to explain his speed. Wolverine relies on his senses as well as his training.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/1012436-shoguna2mp9_super.jpg

in all cases it comes down to timing unless you think they are all capable of near short of mach speed.

I think it's been shown a couple of times that spiderman actually doges bullets, most recently against kraven i think

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by King Castle
yeh, they needed to make up for that adamantium backfist cyclops have logan. they new it was beyond comic standard consistency and disbelief.

his hand should have shattered and logan should have shrugged it off.

you've lost me.