(shadowland)Daredevil vs Wolverine(demon)

Originally posted by King Castle
none not even spidey can out speed bullets they all do it in the split second it takes for the guy to pull the trigger here are examples:

spidey explains bullet dodging, spidey has the benefit of his early warning system and reaction to time his response from webbing to moving.

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daredevil explains bullet dodgingm DD has his radar to help him time
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Wolverine analyzing Shogun a piece of his soul possessing his skills and abilities trying to explain his speed. Wolverine relies on his senses as well as his training.
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in all cases it comes down to timing unless you think they are all capable of near short of mach speed.

So now your telling me that Daredevil and Spider-man are not capable of reacting to bullets or bullet timing when all of their feats including using his batons to hit the bullets away would contradict everything you just said. No Wolverine is no a bullet timer, and him fighting someone with those feats does not mean he magically becomes one by association since he still lacks those feats.
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Originally posted by Trackz
I think it's been shown a couple of times that spiderman actually doges bullets, most recently against kraven i think

but i am aware of what kraven said when tryin to hit the spider. but, spidey's comment out weight what kraven says

Originally posted by SasuOna
So lets pretend this is true for a second

So now your telling me that Daredevil and Spider-man are not capable of reacting to bullets or bullet timing when all of their feats including using his batons to hit the bullets away would contradict everything you just said. No Wolverine is no a bullet timer, and him fighting someone with those feats does not mean he magically becomes one by association since he still lacks those feats.

but, to say they can move at the speed of the bullet is absurd and blocking and defending against single bullets is good but DD isnt blocking multiple fire with his batons short of guys like gorgon and thor and thunderstrike 😮‍💨

here is a good speed feat. logan allows himself to be shot as he walks away in the moment it took to fire and the bullet to pass his shoulder logan reacted fast enough to cross the distance all in the small time frame.

1. I never said Daredevil had super speed, I said hes capable of reacting to things moving a great deal faster than him. Which puts the speed argument in perspective because Wolverine is no where near that fast even with his demon powers.

2. If your reacting to a bullet after its fired from a handgun that means you have supersonic reactions. If you are reacting to a sniper rifle after its fired that puts your reactions above mach 5.

3.Once again that feat you posted is not proving anything, since that's another example of moving faster than the eye can see. All we can go by is peak human reactions and even with that we can only say hes moving faster than 30 m/s. Daredevil has reacted to things moving a lot faster than that.

If you want to say regular Wolverine is faster than Daredevil in movement speed I agree with you. However regular Wolverine is not capable of blitzing Daredevil with his level of speed. Since Daredevil's reactions are beyond anything Wolverine possesses.

Shadowland DD is a great deal stronger than Demon Wolverine he should take this

here again is combat speed.. reguler wolverine is more then able to blitz DD in combat speed close quarter fighting.... DD doesnt try to fight guys like wolverine in close fighting he keeps his distance and focus mostly on defense. he is fully aware he cant match the combat speed of guys like spidey or logan and if writers applied Logan's blitz speed in battle with DD like they do when he fights other super human villains and heroes, DD wouldnt be able to out run or out maneuver him. Logan would chase him down like a dog b4 DD new what was happening.
notice how Betsy is having a hard time following this fight and locking on to them.
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notice the level of speed both are displayin with each other and how focus spidey has to be.

this is by far the best feat for spidey and wolvie showing both of them at their best no brain washing no BS..

notice in enemy of the state that DD was fighting a brainwash wolverine who is being controlled, is resisting the programing and has bn run down for days and yet DD was on defense throwing things in his way and having to use environment and you thing DD wouldnt be mauled in close quarter fighting with logan?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by King Castle
in order to dodge a bullet in flight require near lvl mach speed reflex to that extend the bullet would not be the only one making a loud sound. all three of them would be making a cracking sound like whip when they move at those speeds.

but i am aware of what kraven said when tryin to hit the spider. but, spidey's comment out weight what kraven says

Assuming you know that Spider-man is leagues faster than Wolverine and actually has feats to back it up with that are beyond anything Wolverine can hope to do and that Matt was hardly taking that fight seriously and still got the better of a mind controlled wolverine. Why post this? Its not helping you at all.

I really don't see what point your trying to make. You keep posting feats that are either blatant outliers or end up showing how lacking wolverine really is in genuine reaction and speed feats.

my point is that DD is not in the same combat speed as spiderman or wolverine they are superhuman all around.. DD isnt even Cap level combat speed.

the only times he is seen being close to their level is with outside one sided factors.

so regular wolvrerine is overall superior in combat speed/reflex.. and this current DD has shown any real power level that puts them above spidey or wolverine.

maybe finally he is in their level of power but what he did on panel isnt overall impressive it was simply unexpected.

Once again his lack of superhuman speed is compensated for by his superhuman senses which gives him agility on par with Spider-man
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I just went over the fact that Wolverine speed isn't faster than the things that DD has reacted to so your whole argument about Wolverine blitzing Daredevil is just fantasy.
If Wolverine were even capable of blitzing DD without it being considered a massive outlier it would surprise me.

So far your only argument is that Wolverine has superhuman stats but his feats don't reflect that at all and his losses to people in H2H that Daredevil is capable of beating just makes the point your arguing seem less plausible.

In regards to Shadowland DD the proof was on panel he overpowered Wolverine, you can't claim PIS for a legit show of stength and speed that puts him above Wolverine.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Once again his lack of superhuman speed is compensated for by his superhuman senses which gives him agility on par with Spider-man
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Originally posted by SasuOna
far your only argument is that Wolverine has superhuman stats but his feats don't reflect that at all

wolverine consistently keeps pace with spiderman, venom, puma(while poisoned), Lizard (who he pwned), Vermin (who had help and he still pwned) ect.

so you are quite mistaken.

Originally posted by SasuOna
his losses to people in H2H that Daredevil is capable of beating just makes the point your arguing seem less plausible.

Even then he did not loses to echo, your skewer events and completely mis reading the comic. It even states her self all she did was make him mad. She never incapacitated him, that so BS you made up

Originally posted by SasuOna
regards to Shadowland DD the proof was on panel he overpowered Wolverine, you can't claim PIS for a legit show of stength and speed that puts him above Wolverine.

And a plot device took him out......

Lol. Go Jon go!

lol thanks for the encouragement. lol

I suppose, I find it entertaining when you start quoting stuff down. Each side is interesting to read.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I suppose, I find it entertaining when you start quoting stuff down. Each side is interesting to read.

also my name spelled joHn 😛

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I agree with u. I like when jinzin debates, most of the time I chime in very little and simply read the back and forth.

also my name spelled joHn 😛

I don't multiquote anymore, I used too all the time. Too time consuming unless it's really necessary. Jinzin used to never do it, I had to make him do it. He used to just use the quotation marks. lol.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I thought I spelled it "John" and you said it was spelled wrong.

I don't multiquote anymore, I used too all the time. Too time consuming unless it's really necessary. Jinzin used to never do it, I had to make him do it. He used to just use the quotation marks. lol.

I remember that lol. I never quoted either back in the day, then I started using it a lot a few years back, and have been quite lazy recently with it, but like early some times I can be motivated to use it.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I dont think so, if I did my mistake. It spell John. Jon is normally used for Jonathan's which I am not.

I remember that lol. I never quoted either back in the day, then I started using it a lot a few years back, and have been quite lazy recently with it, but like early some times I can be motivated to use it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Like posts you strongly disagree with? 😆

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Wolverine also has superhuman senses.

Not to mention his senses actually have applicable use in a fight allowing him full body control and a range that Wolverine has never shown to have with his senses.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

what are you even talking about. I posted a scan of wolverine moving so fast he blizt soldier who trained to take meta humans out so fast he ended up behind them with out them even know. Whats even crazier is that all there weapons had been cut in haft all with out them noticing.

Unless you show Wolverine Outclassing someone in speed with reactions comparable to DD that isn't a massive case of PIS your not proving how hes overwhelming him because hes faster.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

wolverine consistently keeps pace with spiderman, venom, puma(while poisoned), Lizard (who he pwned), Vermin (who had help and he still pwned) ect.

so you are quite mistaken.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

could all be pis, or extremely low showings. Does not help your arguement at all.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Even then he did not loses to echo, your skewer events and completely mis reading the comic. It even states her self all she did was make him mad. She never incapacitated him, that so BS you made up

Even if this was full of PIS like you claim when Echo was fighting Wolverine she was already delirious and hallucinating from fasting for 3 days. So the fact that she beat Wolverine in H2H cannot be offset because you want cry about the fact that he didn't stay down.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

it proof he over powered him nothing more. please explain to me how that put his speed over wolverine? nothing he did agaisnt wolverine suggested superior speed at all.

And a plot device took him out......

Whats the plot device? Its consistent that Wolverine gets knocked out by people stronger than him. Theres never been a case where hes tanked getting punched by someone that much stronger than him and act like it was nothing without it being a massive out lier.

Shadowland Daredevil is above demon Wolverine

Originally posted by SasuOna
Shadowland Daredevil is above demon Wolverine

You realize that neither of them have shown their true potential?

For now I'd say that Hellverine is more powerful. Telekinesis, hellfire manipulation, bugs control, hardcore pain tolerance...