Originally posted by 753
Vargas really shouldn't win against anybody, his feats were nonsense. I guess, he could take Creed going by his hype and results against the x-men, but they were just horrible writing if you ask me.
Ordinarily the "horrible writing" card can only be played when a character with an established powerset and history does something way out of his league, in Vargas's case his fight with the X-Men was his establishment.
Originally posted by Omega VisionVargas was essentially a natural born Captain America. His combat feats should be impossible for someone like him and they depended on his enemies stupidity. Psylock could have shielded herself in a buble and crushed him with a telekinetic wall. Instead, she goes toe to toe in a swordfight.
What do you mean?Ordinarily the "horrible writing" card can only be played when a character with an established powerset and history does something way out of his league, in Vargas's case his fight with the X-Men was his establishment.
YThe idea that the emergence of a super-peak human could threaten the mutant, which was the point of the story, is absurd. The way x-treme rogue, who cuold kill him with a thought just by accessing the right powers, struggled with him and everyone feared him was full of it too.
i was pretty sure i have to reread the story arc.. but, vargas did so well b/c certain mutant powers just didnt work on him period.
like the psylocke TK just washed over him as did rogues touch simply messed her up. he was just naturally immune. plus his peak stats made him bad@$$.. iirc. 😮
also rogues powers were going haywire help explain her loss.
anyways.. sabretooth should be able to beat Vargas if he doesnt get decapitated with a sword swipe.
Originally posted by Starscream MNot if you get your powers naturally and you don't have an x-gene.
I just read the wiki for Vargas...and that seems pretty retarded.he's humanity's response to mutants? newsflash...if you have superpowers, you're no longer human and more a mutant.
Mr Immortal isn't a mutant either.
Originally posted by King CastleYou're remembering wrong.
i was pretty sure i have to reread the story arc.. but, vargas did so well b/c certain mutant powers just didnt work on him period.like the psylocke TK just washed over him as did rogues touch simply messed her up. he was just naturally immune. plus his peak stats made him bad@$$.. iirc. 😮
also rogues powers were going haywire help explain her loss.
anyways.. sabretooth should be able to beat Vargas if he doesnt get decapitated with a sword swipe.
He had super human stats.
Originally posted by Mindseti meant peak as in high end possibly superhuman.. 😉
You're remembering wrong.He had super human stats.
but, still Vargas was hard to explain i placed him as an anomaly as agent Daryl.
can someone clarify is he was immune to Psylockes power... i dont wanna dig for the extreme x men comics
Originally posted by Mindsetyeah but humanity fears mutants BECAUSE of the powers...not the gene
Not if you get your powers naturally and you don't have an x-gene.Mr Immortal isn't a mutant either.
I mean if a mutant had a x-gene, but no manifest powers and looked and behaved like a human in every way, then humans wouldn't have a problem
also, having powers inherently makes you something beyond human...which by logic people should fear.
I didn't read his entire wiki profile that was provided, but while recently reading an X-Men comic reminded me of Vargas. Is he one of the Children of the Vault? As for this thread, I don't see any way in hell for Victor to win even one battle with Vargas. The guy chopped a building down with a broadsword, how can Creed compete with that kind of thing?
Originally posted by Starscream MI'm not really sure what you're talking about.
yeah but humanity fears mutants BECAUSE of the powers...not the geneI mean if a mutant had a x-gene, but no manifest powers and looked and behaved like a human in every way, then humans wouldn't have a problem
also, having powers inherently makes you something beyond human...which by logic people should fear.
"He's humanity's response to mutants" just means he is an evolved human that is not a mutant. What does this post have to do with anything?
Originally posted by StoicNo, the children of the vault were humans who evolved isolated in a ship where time went by faster than in regular wold. They're considered a different species from humans, because of all the millenia of gentic drift. Initially they didn't have have natural superpowers, only high tech weapons wired into their bodies, sometimes altering their physiologies. More recently, as they returned in legacy, it seems they have been retconned into naturally superpowered folk.
I didn't read his entire wiki profile that was provided, but while recently reading an X-Men comic reminded me of Vargas. Is he one of the Children of the Vault? As for this thread, I don't see any way in hell for Victor to win even one battle with Vargas. The guy chopped a building down with a broadsword, how can Creed compete with that kind of thing?